some are shaky on the life of the mother, frankly
Gah. Really?
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le nubian - Oct 03, 2005 2:07:28 pm PDT #2986 of 10002
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
dw - Oct 03, 2005 2:11:55 pm PDT #2987 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval
A lot of the real hard-core people don't even want to allow an exception for the health of the mother--they're life-of-the-mother-only and some are shaky on the life of the mother, frankly.
Back when I was younger the prevailing belief was no abortion, ever. Bush I was scourged for excepting rape and incest, which was TWO STEPS TOWARDS AUSCHWITZ in the minds of the true believers. Step one, of course, was life and health of the mother.
Over the last 5-10 years the pro-life movement has softened to life and health of the mother. Only the real nutjobs would drop health (since, generally, "health" includes "will having this baby kill her?") and the super-nutjobs drop life. The loony reasoning is "doctors would lie." Yeah, so?
One step to the left of L&H is "rape and incest," though many question how the law would define rape in this circumstance (especially in absence of a conviction).
dw - Oct 03, 2005 2:12:58 pm PDT #2988 of 10002
Silence means security silence means approval
Gah. Really?
Yeah. Then you watch their poor brains explode when you throw an ectopic pregnancy at them.
Jesse - Oct 03, 2005 2:14:21 pm PDT #2989 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
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Topic!Cindy - Oct 03, 2005 2:25:42 pm PDT #2990 of 10002
What is even happening?
Only the real nutjobs would drop health (since, generally, "health" includes "will having this baby kill her?") and the super-nutjobs drop life. The loony reasoning is "doctors would lie." Yeah, so?Why am I thinking that the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortions does not make an exception for the health of the mother?
Tom Scola - Oct 03, 2005 2:31:10 pm PDT #2991 of 10002
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Burrell - Oct 03, 2005 2:32:43 pm PDT #2992 of 10002
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Why am I thinking that the ban on so-called "partial birth" abortions does not make an exception for the health of the mother?
My understanding is that the ban on Dilation & Extraction abortions does not mean that all late term abortions are banned. It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.
Jesse - Oct 03, 2005 2:34:19 pm PDT #2993 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
My understanding is that the ban on Dilation & Extraction abortions does not mean that all late term abortions are banned. It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.
Yeah, it's even just Intact D&E, IIRC. But I don't really want to get into it.
Topic!Cindy - Oct 03, 2005 2:34:21 pm PDT #2994 of 10002
What is even happening?
It simply places a ban on the preferred method. There are other methods, but these put the mother at a much higher risk for complications.Am I right in thinking there's an exception for the life of the mother with the D&E (thanks--the term completely slipped my brain, before), but not for her health?
Aims - Oct 03, 2005 2:38:45 pm PDT #2995 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.
As far as I understood the ban, it was, "No way, no how, no matter what. Even Mom." I could be wrong.