Wallace is the nearest thing the show has to a moral compass, although he doesn't come out pristine, as he's a willing accomplice to a lot of Veronica's more shady activities, esp. the student files.

I think a large part of why I'm not bothered more by the ethical misdeeds on the show is that, unlike on Buffy, where there was Right and Wrong in capital letters (not to say there wasn't moral graying on Buffy by any means), the sensibilities of Veronica Mars lie squarely in the noir territory, in which corruption is practically a default.

Good point. All the authorities we've seen are genuinely corrupt -- the Vice Principal, the new Sheriff, and most of all the head of Evil Incorporated.

Whoo, VM thread!

I had responses to some of the earlier posts, but people have already said what I would have, so, um, yeah...yay new thread!

Isn't Leo supposed to be a mere 22? 17-22 isn't a big squicky stretch for me.

Per Weapons of Class Destruction (which I just watched last night) the age difference was... twenty-six months? Something like that.

Per Weapons of Class Destruction (which I just watched last night) the age difference was... twenty-six months? Something like that.

Which involves a whole 'nother level of hand-waviness. Veronica is a junior, which makes her around 17 y.o. It's highly improbable that a 19 y.o. can be a deputy sheriff.

Well, I just did a quick google search and a lot of places want a minimum age of 21, but there are some counties in CA that will take 18 and up.

That said, most law enforcement outfits aren't going to hire someone fresh out of highschool unless they're really impressive and mature.

It's highly improbable that a 19 y.o. can be a deputy sheriff.

Especially since he's dropped a couple of comments about college, I think.

Also? Wanting to study her bedroom ceiling is SUCH an icky pickup line. Although she did call him on that.

Veronica needing to be saved in the finale by her father didn't bother me too much because it flows naturally from prior events. One of Veronica's flaws is that she underestimates smart adults. She underestimates her dad and gets a face full of ink (one of my favorite moments on the show), underestimates Clarence Wiedman and loses ground on the case (and is lucky it's not worse. I'm not convinced he's a bad guy). She underestimates Aaron Echolls and nearly gets killed. I think that my main gender issue is that she never tangles and loses to a smart female adult. As long as the 'Veronica Mars, damsel in distress' remains a rare occurence, especially if she actually learns something from it, I'm ok with it.

I also don't mind Veronica's less-than-ethical behavior. There's no way she could see her actions as being more than slightly shady, and no way she could be convinced that the ends don't justify the means. Her best available role model is her father, and he invades people's privacy for a living. Given the way she nearly hero-worships him, it would be fairly unrealistic for her to have what we would consider a healthy ethical code.

OMG, Veronica Mars thread! I've been wanting this since about halfway through the season. LOVE.

I was watching an ep the other day (now that I have TiVo again, I've had it taping all the repeats) and so gushing over Logan, becuase he's just so broken. And was like "Why the hell does this make me gush, when it's fictional, when I know in real life it makes me run away screaming?"

For who's at the door? I personally want it to be Wallace or better yet, Weevil (proudly announcing to Veronica he's kicked the shit out of Logan....)

My problem is, I kinda loathe Duncan. He got a little better by the end of the season, but...I was sort of hoping he'd be the killer just so he wouldn't be on the show next season. I don't feel the chemistry between him and Veronica so it just doesn't work as a big triangle thing for me...But I'm hoping/expecting that Rob Thomas can make it work! After all, angsty bitter Logan is TEH HOT.

Veronica definitely has issues, but I love that it's quite clear that she does, and everyone KNOWS she does--the beginning of the season was a little simplistic, but shades of grey got mighty grey by the end...

I like Meg and Mac, and hope they get more time. And Weevil. And Wallace. And and and...

I guess I find it troublesome not only that she invades others privacy, but that she doesn't seem to have even a vague hint that anything is wrong with it

But I felt like as things went on through the season, she kinda got a little more that it wasn't as OK as she started out thinking. That her way wasn't always the right way. Etc. Etc. But I think it's being shown as a process, and she's learning.

And v. cool and "ooh, I agree!" comments from 'Suela on the fantasy/Chosen One/apocalypse vs reality/righteous girl/killer divide...

So, in conclusion: love this thread! Looking forward SO MUCH to second season. Scared SO MUCH that it will not live up to first one...