Veronica needing to be saved in the finale by her father didn't bother me too much because it flows naturally from prior events. One of Veronica's flaws is that she underestimates smart adults. She underestimates her dad and gets a face full of ink (one of my favorite moments on the show), underestimates Clarence Wiedman and loses ground on the case (and is lucky it's not worse. I'm not convinced he's a bad guy). She underestimates Aaron Echolls and nearly gets killed. I think that my main gender issue is that she never tangles and loses to a smart female adult. As long as the 'Veronica Mars, damsel in distress' remains a rare occurence, especially if she actually learns something from it, I'm ok with it.

I also don't mind Veronica's less-than-ethical behavior. There's no way she could see her actions as being more than slightly shady, and no way she could be convinced that the ends don't justify the means. Her best available role model is her father, and he invades people's privacy for a living. Given the way she nearly hero-worships him, it would be fairly unrealistic for her to have what we would consider a healthy ethical code.

OMG, Veronica Mars thread! I've been wanting this since about halfway through the season. LOVE.

I was watching an ep the other day (now that I have TiVo again, I've had it taping all the repeats) and so gushing over Logan, becuase he's just so broken. And was like "Why the hell does this make me gush, when it's fictional, when I know in real life it makes me run away screaming?"

For who's at the door? I personally want it to be Wallace or better yet, Weevil (proudly announcing to Veronica he's kicked the shit out of Logan....)

My problem is, I kinda loathe Duncan. He got a little better by the end of the season, but...I was sort of hoping he'd be the killer just so he wouldn't be on the show next season. I don't feel the chemistry between him and Veronica so it just doesn't work as a big triangle thing for me...But I'm hoping/expecting that Rob Thomas can make it work! After all, angsty bitter Logan is TEH HOT.

Veronica definitely has issues, but I love that it's quite clear that she does, and everyone KNOWS she does--the beginning of the season was a little simplistic, but shades of grey got mighty grey by the end...

I like Meg and Mac, and hope they get more time. And Weevil. And Wallace. And and and...

I guess I find it troublesome not only that she invades others privacy, but that she doesn't seem to have even a vague hint that anything is wrong with it

But I felt like as things went on through the season, she kinda got a little more that it wasn't as OK as she started out thinking. That her way wasn't always the right way. Etc. Etc. But I think it's being shown as a process, and she's learning.

And v. cool and "ooh, I agree!" comments from 'Suela on the fantasy/Chosen One/apocalypse vs reality/righteous girl/killer divide...

So, in conclusion: love this thread! Looking forward SO MUCH to second season. Scared SO MUCH that it will not live up to first one...

crud. I'm late to the party. Well, at least it's still double digits...

And now I'm gonna have to decide which of VM and LOST is the show I record, and which I ahem.

oh, wait. My sister watches VM. So I guess I'll Tivo LOST and watch VM at my sister's house. No W&P for me, then. t is sad

Veronica's utter lack of respect for anyone else's privacy was bugging the shit out of me. Enough people were enjoying the show that I gave it another shot, and I am very glad I did, but she herself is still on my don't like list.

and thus i learned that my ethics aren't quite as up to par as i thought they were. i honestly didn't have a problem with the things Veronica did to find the truth. the only time i was uncomfortable was when she was digging up all the dirty history on the 09ers parents. i don't think i personally would have gone to some of the lengths she did to get her info, but it didn't squick me.

I'm also mildly wigged that it was somehow okay for her to date Leo, in a way that I wasn't wigged by Buffy and her Really Really a Lot Older men.

seconded. especially with some of the comments he made.

Veronica's a high school junior and he's a Cop.

this. this is what bugged me.

I like Meg and Mac, and hope they get more time.

rumour has it that Tina Majorino has her own pilot. so we may not see her.

And now I'm gonna have to decide which of VM and LOST is the show I record, and which I ahem.

VM has me live for the simple fact that i'm still bitter of that

Oh, random comment on the Mac/Madison thing that I didn't notice until some TWoPers pointed it out.

The VM writers love to play with names (Dick and Beaver, for instance).

If Mac and Madison had retained their first names but gone to their biological parents (which of course is totally hypothetical), they would have been Cindy Sinclair and Madison Mackenzie.

Alliteration rules.

rumour has it that Tina Majorino has her own pilot. so we may not see her.

Damn. DAMN.

Mac's my favorite non-credit character, hands-down. It would have been so kickass to have her in a larger role in S2. Plus, I adore Majorino and her soft, beautiful, non-Hollywood face.

t depressed

me too, Vonnie. me too. i don't see a pilot mentioned on imdb, but it's hardly the be all end all to correctness on the 'net.

people! we have clips from the new season! UPN.com. stat. there's a 20 second promo for M.A.D. and then about a 10 second snippet from the new season. i'm a spoilerphobe and it didn't set off my radar. so go forth! watch! comment!

about a 10 second snippet from the new season

10 is generous. I go with 3.

I'm not going to be watching and posting because I choose to tape VM and send it to my sad, mystery-loving yet UPN deprived cousing. Therefore, I will still be w-n-ping over at the Lost thread. But I am so happy we have a VM thread!

And I LOVE the thread title.