Mal: There's plenty orders of mine that she didn't obey. Wash: Name one! Mal: She married you!

'War Stories'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Maria - Aug 25, 2005 10:28:39 am PDT #61 of 5730
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

So shiny!

I have nothing of importance to contribute at the moment, but I just wanted to express my pleasure at having someplace to talk about the show with people whose opinions I respect and admire.


tiggy - Aug 25, 2005 10:36:29 am PDT #62 of 5730
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

this thread makes me so excited. wheeee!!

Well, I think Rob Thomas has basically said in some interview or another that it's either Duncan or Logan at the door. Because otherwise the fans would feel "betrayed" - though, gotta say, I read that and actually... felt betrayed.

have we learned nothing from the Buffy writers and their lying ways?

personally, i hope it's Wallace. i used to hope it was Logan, but i never really believed it would be based solely on Veronica's reaction to whoever it was.


P.M. Marc - Aug 25, 2005 10:52:56 am PDT #63 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Get us started?

Had to take a nap.

Also, need to find what I wrote in comments to someone when I'd only seen through 1x11.

The gist, however, is that you don't have a lot of strong female characters in addition to Veronica, and even most of the sympathetic ones lack agency. They're either bitches or victims or both.

Mac is tricky, because she's sympathetic, but her actions kind of not. As much as I like her, the purity test thing makes me kind of twitchy. No, a lot twitchy. Neptune needs an ethics teacher.

In addition, while I'm all, Yay! Keith's a good Daddy!, the finale leaves me cold in a lot of respects because suddenly, even Veronica loses her agency and falls in need of rescue. She gets damseled and along comes daddy. This does not please, when your gender issues alerts are ringing.

I mainlined the show. Watched it all in two separate two day marathons, so it's like when you gorge on a writer and their writerly kinks start to blur into one sort of master story. Things that may not have registered over the course of a full year's viewing really stood out.


Tom Scola - Aug 25, 2005 10:58:49 am PDT #64 of 5730
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Is Keith a good father?

I want to say no, because of what he lets Veronica get away with, but the show is set in such a weird reality, it's hard to say.


Polter-Cow - Aug 25, 2005 11:00:17 am PDT #65 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

He walked through fire, man!


P.M. Marc - Aug 25, 2005 11:01:17 am PDT #66 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I want to say no, because of what he lets Veronica get away with, but the show is set in such a weird reality, it's hard to say.

By show reality terms, yes.

He's like a sweet and tubby Spy Daddy.


Lee - Aug 25, 2005 11:02:35 am PDT #67 of 5730
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Neptune needs an ethics teacher.

This is what made me stop watching the show during the regular season. Veronica's utter lack of respect for anyone else's privacy was bugging the shit out of me. Enough people were enjoying the show that I gave it another shot, and I am very glad I did, but she herself is still on my don't like list.


libkitty - Aug 25, 2005 11:12:56 am PDT #68 of 5730
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

This is what made me stop watching the show during the regular season. Veronica's utter lack of respect for anyone else's privacy was bugging the shit out of me. Enough people were enjoying the show that I gave it another shot, and I am very glad I did, but she herself is still on my don't like list.

I didn't like VM until late in the season, although I've enjoyed earlier eps on rerun. I wasn't sure why I didn't like it, though. It just squicked me. I think perhaps the privacy thing may be it, as I find that really troublesome. I guess I find it troublesome not only that she invades others privacy, but that she doesn't seem to have even a vague hint that anything is wrong with it. For me, this lack of moral ambiguity in her perception makes her character seem immature. Once I got that figured out, I can enjoy her immature character, but before that there was a disconnect.

Re-reading this, I'm not sure if it makes any sense, but I don't know how to write it any better, so here goes!


Steph L. - Aug 25, 2005 11:17:39 am PDT #69 of 5730
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

the finale leaves me cold in a lot of respects because suddenly, even Veronica loses her agency and falls in need of rescue. She gets damseled and along comes daddy. This does not please, when your gender issues alerts are ringing.

But you gotta love the fact that she was *literally* the Woman in the Refrigerator.


Vonnie K - Aug 25, 2005 11:18:30 am PDT #70 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I love Veronica but there are lots and LOTS of times on the show when she frankly needs someone to chew out her ass. The lines she crosses are big, fat ones, and there should be consequences, which is why I did the little dance of joy when Alicia finds out about the bugged plant from Wiedman. I kind of wish that Alicia/Keith took longer to reconciliate due to this, although what with Keith being burned alive and all, I couldn't really begrudge him the comfort of Alicia's presence by his bedside in the season finale.

Above doesn't really diminish my love for the show though, because I like that everyone in Neptune, including out protagonist, is so fucking gray.