this thread makes me so excited. wheeee!!

Well, I think Rob Thomas has basically said in some interview or another that it's either Duncan or Logan at the door. Because otherwise the fans would feel "betrayed" - though, gotta say, I read that and actually... felt betrayed.

have we learned nothing from the Buffy writers and their lying ways?

personally, i hope it's Wallace. i used to hope it was Logan, but i never really believed it would be based solely on Veronica's reaction to whoever it was.

Get us started?

Had to take a nap.

Also, need to find what I wrote in comments to someone when I'd only seen through 1x11.

The gist, however, is that you don't have a lot of strong female characters in addition to Veronica, and even most of the sympathetic ones lack agency. They're either bitches or victims or both.

Mac is tricky, because she's sympathetic, but her actions kind of not. As much as I like her, the purity test thing makes me kind of twitchy. No, a lot twitchy. Neptune needs an ethics teacher.

In addition, while I'm all, Yay! Keith's a good Daddy!, the finale leaves me cold in a lot of respects because suddenly, even Veronica loses her agency and falls in need of rescue. She gets damseled and along comes daddy. This does not please, when your gender issues alerts are ringing.

I mainlined the show. Watched it all in two separate two day marathons, so it's like when you gorge on a writer and their writerly kinks start to blur into one sort of master story. Things that may not have registered over the course of a full year's viewing really stood out.

Is Keith a good father?

I want to say no, because of what he lets Veronica get away with, but the show is set in such a weird reality, it's hard to say.

He walked through fire, man!

I want to say no, because of what he lets Veronica get away with, but the show is set in such a weird reality, it's hard to say.

By show reality terms, yes.

He's like a sweet and tubby Spy Daddy.

Neptune needs an ethics teacher.

This is what made me stop watching the show during the regular season. Veronica's utter lack of respect for anyone else's privacy was bugging the shit out of me. Enough people were enjoying the show that I gave it another shot, and I am very glad I did, but she herself is still on my don't like list.

This is what made me stop watching the show during the regular season. Veronica's utter lack of respect for anyone else's privacy was bugging the shit out of me. Enough people were enjoying the show that I gave it another shot, and I am very glad I did, but she herself is still on my don't like list.

I didn't like VM until late in the season, although I've enjoyed earlier eps on rerun. I wasn't sure why I didn't like it, though. It just squicked me. I think perhaps the privacy thing may be it, as I find that really troublesome. I guess I find it troublesome not only that she invades others privacy, but that she doesn't seem to have even a vague hint that anything is wrong with it. For me, this lack of moral ambiguity in her perception makes her character seem immature. Once I got that figured out, I can enjoy her immature character, but before that there was a disconnect.

Re-reading this, I'm not sure if it makes any sense, but I don't know how to write it any better, so here goes!

the finale leaves me cold in a lot of respects because suddenly, even Veronica loses her agency and falls in need of rescue. She gets damseled and along comes daddy. This does not please, when your gender issues alerts are ringing.

But you gotta love the fact that she was *literally* the Woman in the Refrigerator.

I love Veronica but there are lots and LOTS of times on the show when she frankly needs someone to chew out her ass. The lines she crosses are big, fat ones, and there should be consequences, which is why I did the little dance of joy when Alicia finds out about the bugged plant from Wiedman. I kind of wish that Alicia/Keith took longer to reconciliate due to this, although what with Keith being burned alive and all, I couldn't really begrudge him the comfort of Alicia's presence by his bedside in the season finale.

Above doesn't really diminish my love for the show though, because I like that everyone in Neptune, including out protagonist, is so fucking gray.

But you gotta love the fact that she was *literally* the Woman in the Refrigerator.

Snerk! Yeah. Though, unlike Alex, not in pieces (curse you, Ron Marz). Which is probably good, being as the show's not called Veronica Mars' Body.

Above doesn't really diminish my love for the show though, because I like that everyone in Neptune, including out protagonist, is so fucking gray.

Seriously. Ethics teacher.

I'm also mildly wigged that it was somehow okay for her to date Leo, in a way that I wasn't wigged by Buffy and her Really Really a Lot Older men.