Book: I am a Shepherd. Folks like a man of God. Mal: No, they don't. Men of God make everyone feel guilty and judged.

'Safe'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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§ ita § - Feb 12, 2007 10:54:32 am PST #4976 of 5730
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I never thought you were disputing me. I was just pointing out that one doesn't have to go look for episode titles on an as-yet-unreleased DVD or the Internet.

For an increasing population it's pushed to them. Surely the impact of the inaccuracy depends on the reach of it?


bon bon - Feb 12, 2007 10:59:24 am PST #4977 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

For an increasing population it's pushed to them. Surely the impact of the inaccuracy depends on the reach of it?

Well, it depends on the reach and the significance to the reader. A phrase like "Think Different" has enormous reach but few people take their grammar rules from it. I'm saying that in this case the title of the show has limited reach and limited significance to people's opinions.

Which again, is not to say that confusing MAP and RU-486 is not a reproductive crisis, because I do think it's a Big Deal. Just that I don't think Veronica Mars particularly contributes to it via punny episode titles.


Polter-Cow - Feb 12, 2007 11:02:47 am PST #4978 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

RU-486 Now or Have You Ever Been?


§ ita § - Feb 12, 2007 11:05:04 am PST #4979 of 5730
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that irrespective of its reach, it's just unnecessarily sloppy. Sure, medicinal shortcuts are made the whole time for the sake of narrative--I'm not even touching on the mutant brand of RU-486 that was used in the episodes.

Why be wrong when you can easily be right?

As for the reach, I think it's far enough. Taking grammar rules away from a two word statement doesn't compare in my head to taking away synonyms when it's presented as they did.


Polter-Cow - Feb 12, 2007 11:28:32 am PST #4980 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The spoilery snippet from Rob's TWoP interview, which touches on the Madison storyline:

This gets into a whole debate we have in the writers' room. There is a contingent, of which [producer] Diane [Ruggiero] and I are a part who experience this overpowering sexual jealousy, the kind so nicely illustrated in Chasing Amy: "I can't get past what you did when we weren't together." It's something that I've struggled with in my life -- I'm interested in that phenomenon. There are others, like John Enbom, who don't really get it: "Why are you jealous of something that happened when you weren't in a committed relationship with someone?" Fair enough, that's a logical response, but emotions, for those of us who aren't Vulcan, aren't dictated by logic. I'm certainly not proud of my own jealousy, nor is Veronica proud of hers, though I find hers much more excusable. She's seen so much unfaithfulness. She does everything she can to protect her own heart. She hates being vulnerable. On a side note, I eventually got over mine. Not sure whether to ascribe it to years of therapy or finding the right person.


tiggy - Feb 12, 2007 11:50:21 am PST #4981 of 5730
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

which touches on the Madison storyline

I get the jealousy thing. what i don't get is the rewrite of history of Veronica's rape. (this isn't the first time the writers have screwed up something about the rape this season, either.)


Polter-Cow - Feb 12, 2007 12:07:25 pm PST #4982 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I don't think they rewrote any history. Veronica just displaced the blame.


victor infante - Feb 12, 2007 12:52:22 pm PST #4983 of 5730
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I don't think they rewrote any history. Veronica just displaced the blame.

Which I fully understand. Lots of people were to blame for what happened to Veronica there, but Madison's actions were the ones aimed maliciously at her. It makes her easy to channel that rage at.


tiggy - Feb 12, 2007 12:58:04 pm PST #4984 of 5730
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

you see misdirected anger, i see history rewrite. i can totally get behind Veronica's vehement dislike of Madison without her attempting to blame her rape on her. there's plenty of other things to hate her about without convoluting their history.


Topic!Cindy - Feb 12, 2007 3:37:26 pm PST #4985 of 5730
What is even happening?

What Veeronica said didn't rewrite the history, though.

I don't know. I'm feeling really fatalistic about the show. I can't imagine its not dead in the water. I wanted it to go out differently and much later on, but I really think this is it so maybe I'm hand-waving so I can enjoy the end of the ride.