Riley: Oh, yeah. Sorry 'bout last time. Heard I missed out on some fun. Xander: Oh yeah, fun was had. Also frolic, merriment and near-death hijinks.

'Never Leave Me'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Polter-Cow - Aug 25, 2005 8:42:10 am PDT #46 of 5730
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When they found Duncan in Argentina (?)

Cuba.

But I think in VM, it's more like Parent Issues.

Very much. I mean, look at "Silence of the Lamb." There's an undercurrent of "Do our parents, be they biological or non-biological, make us who we are?" throughout the whole series. Obviously with Keith and Veronica, and certainly, Logan is probably afraid of becoming his father. Don't really know about Duncan's feelings, though. The Duncan/Jake dynamic isn't explored a whole lot, although we know that Jake has really big plans for Duncan, whether he likes it or not.


EpicTangent - Aug 25, 2005 8:48:49 am PDT #47 of 5730
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Cuba.

Right. I stand corrected (and slightly embarassed/shamed at having forgotten so quickly).

the whole "the parents are bad, mmkay?" thing.

This is just wandering through my brain...Could it be more of a "Rich parents are bad" thing? Veronica's Dad, Wallace's Mom, we've seen the money struggles, but these are our "good kids." Or look at Mac, raised with the "wrong" middle class family, she's great and we love her. The girl raised rich by her "real" parents? Total bitca. ie rich parents=bad parents? (Oh oh and Weevil! A Criminal, but with a "Heart of Gold." Rich parents are bad!)


Hayden - Aug 25, 2005 8:59:39 am PDT #48 of 5730
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Hey, Veronica Mars thread!


Vonnie K - Aug 25, 2005 9:01:42 am PDT #49 of 5730
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Well, to be fair, Madison's "parents" (the rich ones) are decent--what little we've seen of Mac's biological mother anyway, as are Mac's adopted parents, for all their shortcomings. What bothers me more about that storyline is that it argues that Nature triumphs over Nurture, and does so in a decidedly unambiguous fashion. The Veronica & Keith dynamic is a little more complex, as while Veronica is Keith's daughter, she's also Lianne's. The Echolls family horror show is a mixed-bag: while Aaron is a classic example of the abused-becoming-an-abuser, I don't think we're being led to believe that it's an inescapable fate for Logan--I mean, there are warning bells, as evidence by Logan's proclivity for violence and impulse control, but I don't think the show is as bleak and nihilistic as to suggest that Logan's beyond saving.


Jon B. - Aug 25, 2005 9:20:48 am PDT #50 of 5730
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What bothers me more about that storyline is that it argues that Nature triumphs over Nurture, and does so in a decidedly unambiguous fashion.

I don't see this. Please explain?


Polter-Cow - Aug 25, 2005 9:22:15 am PDT #51 of 5730
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I don't see this. Please explain?

Mac, despite being brought up by nachos-and-NASCAR parents, turned out like her biological falafels-and-Fellini parents.


Jon B. - Aug 25, 2005 9:26:23 am PDT #52 of 5730
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

But were her adoptive parents discouraging of her academic pursuits? I remember them as decent folk.


sumi - Aug 25, 2005 9:27:24 am PDT #53 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!

From an interview I read somewhere - KB had no idea who was at the door at the time that they filmed that scene.


Polter-Cow - Aug 25, 2005 9:27:38 am PDT #54 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

But were her adoptive parents discouraging of her academic pursuits? I remember them as decent folk.

No, they were definitely decent folk.

So you're saying it wasn't unambiguous, but that the adoptive parents nurtured nature.


Jon B. - Aug 25, 2005 9:29:28 am PDT #55 of 5730
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

the adoptive parents nurtured nature

'xactly.