I've never seen The Big Lebowski.

Yeah, I don't love the feminists making up any of the rapes, to tell the truth. What the frat boys did to Patrice and other girls is heinous, but faking rapes is a dangerous and stupid game to play in revenge.

for some reason i keep flashing back to all of the interviews KBell did over the summer spouting what a "bad boyfriend" Logan is/was. if that's what RT has been trying to portray last season and this season, he hasn't done a very good job in my eyes. especially this season. that isn't to say that he's an angel and he never does any wrong. i've seen a lot of comments from KBell and posters in my comm and various other places saying how they wouldn't want to date nor have any of their friends date Logan and to that i'm saying, "why".

yesyes, there were things in season one and even the crap over the summer before season 2, but what has he done lately to earn the title "bad boy you wouldn't let a loved one date"?

(bit of a tangent here. sorry.)

I've never seen The Big Lebowski.

me either.

tiggy, you're absolutely right. What I loved tonight was that he outright said he didn't care if he was right or fair, he simply loved her and wanted to protect her. Not from the world, not in a creepy way, but simply from physical harm.

What pisses me off is, yeah, it must have been disconcerting to have random big guy pick her up and carry her out of the room, hand over her mouth, but I didn't see her complaining when Logan came to her rescue at the Fitzpatrick's bar (or when Vinnie did). Or when Logan showed up on the roof the night Cassidy lost it.

I get that Veronica has legitimate trust and betrayal issues, and they've laid those out pretty clearly since day one. But this season, Logan has owned up to his need for a little space (not an unreasonable request) and has also apologized for his behavior. He came to dinner with her dad, he's been there for her -- I don't get her beef with him at this point. Especially when, a few episodes ago, she was the one shown wanting constant togetherness.

I thnk the writers need to get together on their characterization of her.

I thnk the writers need to get together on their characterization of her.

not only that, but they really need to reevaluate what initially made people love and connect with her character. she's been completely unlikeable pretty much all season and i really hate not liking the lead character of a show i'm watching. (Grey's Anatomy, anyone?)

I didn't see her complaining when Logan came to her rescue at the Fitzpatrick's bar (or when Vinnie did). Or when Logan showed up on the roof the night Cassidy lost it.

You know, when she was in actual danger, as opposed to being mostly in danger in Logan's mind. Logan was an obnoxious jerk before he fell in love with Veronica, and now he's turned into a controlling jerk. I mean, calling Veronica's cell just to see if she would pick up? I have no sympathy.

I'm getting a little bit of a BtVS S6 vibe this season -- Veronica Learns the Hard Way That Life Is Not Simple! Or Easy! Or Black and White!

I still like her -- or at least, I *feel* for her. I know what she's been through and what pushes her buttons, and I know how deeply she feels about certain things. But viewers coming in just this season may not -- and Veronica has done a lot of sketchy things this season (well, she's always done a lot of sketchy things), but she's also done a lot of not nice things.

Logan was an obnoxious jerk before he fell in love with Veronica, and now he's turned into a controlling jerk.

i'll give you obnoxious jerk before, but how exactly has he been controlling? wanting Veronica to be safe isn't a selfish act. i sincerely doubt he had any intentions of her ever finding out that he'd hired someone to protect her. it just happened that the bodyguard felt she was in danger at that moment and that was more important than blowing his cover.

Yeah, I don't get how he's controlling, either. Controlling, to me, is someone who tells his girlfriend what she can and can't do, who monitors her phone calls and her friends and all kinds of creepy things. Logan's not doing that -- he knew she wouldn't back off the case, but he wanted to make sure she didn't get hurt.

Edited to add: Logan calling her cell while watching to see if she would pick up isn't controlling, either. It's self-defense. He feels her slipping away, he wants to find out if he's right -- and protect himself from heartbreak. He's not monitoring who else she's talking to.

If anything, Veronica's the one who's been doing those things -- not to control Logan, but because she doesn't trust him not to disappoint her.

i sincerely doubt he had any intentions of her ever finding out that he'd hired someone to protect her.

That makes it so much better. He hired someone to stalk her, and since she has every right to fear being stalked, he wound up terrorizing the woman he claims to love. That's just unacceptable behavior. And it is controlling when the bodyguard pulls her out of a situation against her will.