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Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Topic!Cindy - May 03, 2006 8:35:29 am PDT #2745 of 5730
What is even happening?

Okay, I've been at the doctors most of the morning, and I had a lot of time to think, so I didn't pass out while she was * digging toenail out of my kid's infected toe. *

The Bus Crash:

Either:

  • Beaver is the primary do-er. He got the knowledge from Curly Moran (without Moran realizing 'til after) and he did it (possibly with Lucky's technical assistance) to silence Pete and Marcos

or

  • Lucky is the do-er, but Beaver is indirectly responsible, perhaps passing on whatever Curly shared about the stunt

I think it's the first option.

If it's the second option, there are many things that will need explaining. I can speculate that it could be explained as follows:

1. Beav and Lucky somehow figured out they were both Woody survivors.

2. Lucky involved himself after over-hearing Beaver, Marcos and Pete talking, got all revved up.

3. Lucky blew up the bus as a warning to Woody and/or to strike out at Woody by killing Gia. If this is so, I can speculate it was (possibly) done without Beaver's foreknowledge, but Beaver figured it out, later.

The holes are mostly in #3 above. The biggest hole is the smelly rat corpse. If Lucky didn't mind blowing up fellow survivors (or if he didn't know the survivors were on the bus; if he didn't mind blowing up innocent victims) why plant the dead rat? Why not let them all die, unless Beaver was in on it, from the beginning. Besides, the chances are good that if the bus was so stinky, Gia would get a ride home with Daddy. It's not like she was stranded.

The biggest hole though, is why blow up the victims rather than Woody, himself? As noted above, it is unlikely the incorporation was an issue Lucky would have known about, prior to the bus crash. Beaver could have known, because Big Dick might have known since he was a major real estate player in town, which gives Beav the opportunity to have picked up the info. at home.

I kind of have a hard time with Beaver being ready to let Veronica and every other kid die, though.

So:

Why would Beaver put a bomb in the gift basket? Why not just leave it on the bus when he got off?

Maybe it went off at the wrong time? Maybe it was supposed to just blow up Pete, and something happened, or Lucky interferred in a way Beaver didn't know about, at the time.

So, unless unchaste women are inherently unreliable as witnesses, I don’t see why the judge allowed the defense attorney to question Veronica about it. It was a smear on a collateral issue.
For this, I think the answer is mostly that Neptune is corrupt. That said, I don't think they were trying to paint Veronica as unchaste to make her a less reliable witness. I think they were trying to paint her as a floozy with a thing for rich guys, age unimportant, who got a little movie stardust in her eyes, so that the jury would have reasonable doubt that the confrontation between her, Aaron, and Keith played out as she and Keith testified it had.


Topic!Cindy - May 03, 2006 8:40:16 am PDT #2746 of 5730
What is even happening?

Oh!

Why was Weevil following Cervando? Weevil told Veronica he was worried, because Cervando had a big mouth about besting Liam Fitz.

But why follow him on the field trip, specifically?

How would the Fitzes even know Cervando was going to be on a field trip, and if they did, why would they pick that particular time to target him. Surely, they could have gotten him alone, somehow.

Maybe Cervando was getting anonymous threats from Beaver about the field trip, and Weevil knew about them. Beaver's motive for that would have been in retalliation for Cervando threatening Beaver, after Dick ruined Cervando's jeans.


TomW - May 03, 2006 8:49:44 am PDT #2747 of 5730
"The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be."

I have a small problem with the "bomb in the gift basket".

Curly Moran's involvement suggests that the bus was (i) deliberately crashed and (ii) crashed via the method that Curly used for his "Long Haul" stunt.

(i) Would negate any theory that the "bomb was meant for one person and went off at the wrong time".

(ii) I'd like to think that the method is a little more complex than just making sure that there is a bomb *somewhere* on the bus. Placement of the device would be key. That's not the kind of thing you can leave to chance based on where somebody decides to sit with their gift basket.


P.M. Marc - May 03, 2006 8:51:46 am PDT #2748 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

We need a list of the bus crash victims and why Cass would have motive to off them.

What's her face who was doing Little Dick - cleaning up after Dick's messes, as he's made mention of in the past.

Cervando - revenge.

Pete n' Marcos - see above speculation.

Veronica - too smart for her own good, and thus a threat.


Topic!Cindy - May 03, 2006 8:58:30 am PDT #2749 of 5730
What is even happening?

What's her face who was doing Little Dick - cleaning up after Dick's messes, as he's made mention of in the past.

Betina. Here are all the victims.

1. Ed Doyle
2. Ms. Dumas
3. Betina
4. Rhonda
5. Marcos
6. Cervando
7. Pete
8. Meg

eta...

If it's Beaver, I kind of hope they don't give him a motive to kill all of them, because what are the odds of getting a bunch of kids you have a motive to kill, on the same bus, when the bus must be full of kids who are on a field trip, because they're all journalism students/school paper doobies. It's too much.

I'd rather have whoever the killer is, not care about the "innocent" among the victims. That will be hard to swallow if it is Cassidy, but not as hard to swallow as a perfect combination of victims on a bus.


Polter-Cow - May 03, 2006 9:01:42 am PDT #2750 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

1. Ed Doyle

Was once late picking him up and he missed an important test.

2. Ms. Dumas

Was a really crappy journalism teacher.

3. Betina

Cleaning up Dick's mess.

4. Rhonda

Wouldn't go out with him.

5. Marcos

Ye olde child molestation angle.

6. Cervando

Threatened him.

7. Pete

Ye olde child molestation angle.

8. Meg

Too pretty to live. But she wasn't supposed to be on the bus anyway.


P.M. Marc - May 03, 2006 9:07:54 am PDT #2751 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'd rather have whoever the killer is, not care about the "innocent" among the victims. That will be hard to swallow if it is Cassidy, but not as hard to swallow as a perfect combination of victims on a bus.

See, I don't think they all have to be, but having the additional two could make the rest of them seem like acceptable losses.


Narrator - May 03, 2006 9:15:25 am PDT #2752 of 5730
The evil is this way?

I guess I'm wondering if the STD was simply there for shock value -- a way to further humiliate Veronica, who has had to suffer through so much already (Lily's death, her mom's disappearance, her dad's ousting from the position of sheriff, the date rape). If so, it's kind of ... stupid.

I had assumed it was so help unravel the molestation story -- if Veronica only had sex with Duncan and he only had sex with her and Meg, then Meg gave the STD to Duncan who gave it to Veronica. Which raises the issue of who Meg got the STD from -- which would be Dear Old Dad, Mayor Woody, Creepy Dad that Meg babysat for, etc.


Topic!Cindy - May 03, 2006 9:16:24 am PDT #2753 of 5730
What is even happening?

Oh, I gotcha. I do think Beaver's intended victims could be Cervando, Betina, Marcos and Pete.

I do have a hard time thinking he'd see Veronica as an acceptable loss. I know they're not best friends, but he seems to like her. It makes me so sad.


Topic!Cindy - May 03, 2006 9:17:04 am PDT #2754 of 5730
What is even happening?

I had assumed it was so help unravel the molestation story -- if Veronica only had sex with Duncan and he only had sex with her and Meg, then Meg gave the STD to Duncan who gave it to Veronica. Which raises the issue of who Meg got the STD from -- which would be Dear Old Dad, Mayor Woody, Creepy Dad that Meg babysat for, etc.

That seems most likely, Narrator.

Also, Amy. I don't think it's for shock value only because it was planted so early on in the season--back in NPBiaC.