Come on out, River. The nice man wants to kidnap you.

Simon ,'Objects In Space'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Vonnie K - Apr 27, 2006 12:06:24 pm PDT #2643 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

the PCHers wanted to kill him

I totally don't remember why they did either. Brain like a sieve, I tell you.

Kendall's definitely got more things going on than meets the eye, but I can't bundle the things we know about her into any kind of cohesive theory other than the insurance thing (which they handed to us on a silver platter, therefore this has very little chance of being the actual motive.)


Polter-Cow - Apr 27, 2006 12:07:22 pm PDT #2644 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I totally don't remember why they did either.

Because they thought he rigged the bus for the Fitzpatricks and was thus responsible for Cervando's death. To be specific, they received anonymous calls to that effect.


Kalshane - Apr 27, 2006 12:24:11 pm PDT #2645 of 5730
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

And the bag supposedly ended up in the hands of Betina, but before that...it was Dick. It's possible he was supposed to have it with him in the limo, but the perpetrator didn't count on his noble act

Except didn't Peter win it? My understanding of the Prize Pack was it was given to Peter. Peter tossed it in the trash. Dick snagged it out of the trash and gave it to Betina because she was pissed off at him.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 27, 2006 12:27:27 pm PDT #2646 of 5730
What is even happening?

Yeah, that's what I've gone off of. And the bag supposedly ended up in the hands of Betina, but before that...it was Dick. It's possible he was supposed to have it with him in the limo, but the perpetrator didn't count on his noble act.

But (assuming he was telling Veronica the truth) Dick picked up the Prize out of the trash, after Pete threw it away. It's a believable detail, because of Pete's, "Why would I go," re the fieldtrip. It would have only gotten to Dick by accident--him picking it out of the trash.


Polter-Cow - Apr 27, 2006 12:53:27 pm PDT #2647 of 5730
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yeah, you're right. I couldn't remember the exact trail of the bag. I don't know anything anymore! All I know is that CERVANDO KILLED FELIX.


Kalshane - Apr 27, 2006 12:57:02 pm PDT #2648 of 5730
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

So here's some points currently rattling aroud in my brain:

  • Woody somehow knew that something was going to happen to the bus because he begged Gia not to take it back to the school.

  • Explosives from the demoltion company working on tearing down Shark's Field showed up in a locker in the hangar Woody owns and Terrence keeps his cars, the night before the detailer was due to work on said cars.

  • Detailer didn't notice said explosives the last time he had worked on said cars, and I believe (though not sure) the schedule meant he would have been out there between the time of the crash and when the explosives were found.

  • Danny Boyd works for the demolition company.

  • We know Woody isn't above sacrificing an ally to save his own neck after this week.

  • Liam Fitzpatrick passed the limo and the bus on the PCH shortly before it crashed.

  • The Fitzpatricks have been hired as heavies in the past to try and collect on Terrence Cook's gambling debts.

  • Curly Moran seemed incredibly broken up about the crash.

  • The PCHers recieved an anonymous tip, dialed from within untrafficked area of Logan's house, that Curly was responsible for the crash.

  • Curly said he knew who had caused the crash when Weevil was beating him up.

  • Thumper was recording Curly's beating with his cellphone.

  • As soon as Curly said he knew who did it, a car parked nearby turned its lights on, chasing off the PCHers.

  • Curly washes up dead on the beach the next day with Veronica's name written on his hand.

While I don't think Woody is directly responsible for the crash, I do think he had foreknowledge, possibly through dealings with the Fitzpatricks.

I think the Fitzpatricks rigged the bomb in the bus, though I don't know on whose orders.

I think Thumper had one of the Fitzpatricks on the phone when Weevil was beating Curly, and as soon as they heard Curly knew who it was, they hit their lights, to drive off the PCHers and then killed Curly.

I think the reason Curly knew who it was, and felt so guilty about it, was someone asked him how he did the Long Haul stunt. They then used that knowledge to crash the bus.

I think the explosives turned up in the hangar either because someone was threatening to frame Woody with the crash and Woody decided to frame Cook instead, or another form of intimidation over Cook's gambling debts via the Fitzpatricks.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 27, 2006 1:07:18 pm PDT #2649 of 5730
What is even happening?

The PCHers recieved an anonymous tip, dialed from within untrafficked area of Logan's house, that Curly was responsible for the crash.
Do you think Lucky made the call?

I think Thumper had one of the Fitzpatricks on the phone when Weevil was beating Curly, and as soon as they heard Curly knew who it was, they hit their lights, to drive off the PCHers and then killed Curly.

Hhmmm. Good one.

I think the reason Curly knew who it was, and felt so guilty about it, was someone asked him how he did the Long Haul stunt. They then used that knowledge to crash the bus.

I agree. And for some reason, I keep thinking Big Dick. Did Big Dick take Cassidy along when he met Curly, once? What episode was that revealed in. In my head, I can see Veronica or Keith watching or listening to a tape of Lamb interviewing Cassidy, and Gia, and I don't know who else.


Kalshane - Apr 27, 2006 1:13:15 pm PDT #2650 of 5730
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Do you think Lucky made the call?

That's a possibility. Though we know the PCHers crashed the party, so it also could have been Thumper or one of his patsies. Though Weevil might have recognized their voice, so that's iffy.

I agree. And for some reason, I keep thinking Big Dick. Did Big Dick take Cassidy along when he met Curly, once? What episode was that revealed in. In my head, I can see Veronica or Keith watching or listening to a tape of Lamb interviewing Cassidy, and Gia, and I don't know who else.

Yes. Curly was the mechanic for a good number of the 09ers. I can't remember which episode it was, but Keith has stolen the interview tapes from the sherrif's office about the bus crash. In his, Beaver mentioned meeting Curly once when Big Dick had taken him along to have the car serviced. He said normally his father took Little Dick becuase cars were "man stuff".


Topic!Cindy - Apr 27, 2006 1:18:15 pm PDT #2651 of 5730
What is even happening?

Kalshane, I think it was RaWgtWC.

That could have been when Curly told Dick about the stunt for The Long Haul.


Kalshane - Apr 27, 2006 1:25:02 pm PDT #2652 of 5730
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

What's Big Dick's motivation, though? I mean, sure, insurance money, but his real estate empire had not yet collapsed so it's not like he really needed it. And who put the rat on board, thus insuring that the rich kids got off the bus? Plus, if Big Dick wanted his kids dead, why let them borrow his limo?

The only way I can see that work is if he assumed that little Dick would leave Beaver on the bus instead of taking him along. I can see him not caring overly much if Beaver bought it. Especially if he could profit from it.