Kalshane, I think it was RaWgtWC.

That could have been when Curly told Dick about the stunt for The Long Haul.

What's Big Dick's motivation, though? I mean, sure, insurance money, but his real estate empire had not yet collapsed so it's not like he really needed it. And who put the rat on board, thus insuring that the rich kids got off the bus? Plus, if Big Dick wanted his kids dead, why let them borrow his limo?

The only way I can see that work is if he assumed that little Dick would leave Beaver on the bus instead of taking him along. I can see him not caring overly much if Beaver bought it. Especially if he could profit from it.

What's Big Dick's motivation, though? I mean, sure, insurance money, but his real estate empire had not yet collapsed so it's not like he really needed it. And who put the rat on board, thus insuring that the rich kids got off the bus? Plus, if Big Dick wanted his kids dead, why let them borrow his limo?

I don't know. I don't think Dick was trying to kill his own kids for the insurance money, at all. If he's involved, I suspect just the opposite, that he called Little Dick, knowing he'd hear how the bus smelled badly, and he'd suggest the limo, knowing Little Dick would take him up on it.

If Big Dick is partly behind the crash, I do think greed/power might have been a motive, but I don't know to what end.

Maybe he was afraid the incorporation proposal would screw up the valuation of some of his REITs, and he was trying to create a county scandal to damage Woody's credibility?

Keith said these things are often personal. Maybe Big Dick has a personal grudge against Woody and was trying to create a county scandal because of that? Maybe Woody was onto the graft deal with the Assessor and was trying to make Big Dick his bitch, the way he tried to double deal Keith? Maybe Woody did molest Cassidy and Big Dick knew, and maybe that accounts for some of Big Dick's extreme ignorage of Cassidy?

Of course none of these things convinces me that Big Dick would take out a busload of kids, but maybe for Big Dick, money is personal? He said that thing to Logan about how when he's working his family doesn't exist and vice versa. I suppose it doesn't explain why Woody told Gia not to ride back on the bus, either. But maybe for Big Dick, money is personal? He said that thing to Logan about how when he's working his family doesn't exist and vice versa.

Maybe it was supposed to happen after the bus was back, and Kendall got Liam to blow it up when it blew, not knowing Cassidy and Dick weren't on the bus?

Ooof.

But it wasn't registered in Neptune, right? I remember being confused by this point while watching.

It lives in the garage. I imagine it's not registered at all.

In other stray thoughts, one thing has stuck with me for a good, long while, all the way back to "Rashard & Wallace Go To White Castle":

Father Patrick: I wasn't always on the up-and-up God-wise myself. But I worked at it. There's a passage, Romans 12:19. "Vengeance is mine. I will repay, sayeth the Lord."

It was undercut by a Veronica witticism, but it struck me at the time, and as little as we've seen Father Patrick, he and the church have been in the background a lot. Drugs were being run through there. Thumper was "mugged" there. Weevil confessed there. Father Patrick has been saying things about the incorporation.

Add to this that we never got a good reason why Dr. Griffith should be coerced to convict Logan. Why would the Fitzpatricks care if one of the PCHers went down? Sure, they were working for the Fitzpatricks, but it seems unlikely that they'd care -- they sure weren't afraid they'd go tattle when they were getting roughed up. Thumper was smart and had proof on them, sure, but no one knew about that.

So who was on that paddle?

Last tiny little bit, all the way back to the season premier:

Harken to our good friends at Mars Investigations: Logan, Dick, and Beaver set fire to the community pool, causing it to close for the summer. This is yet another battle in the haves vs. have-nots war.

Is that what really happened there? First time around, we only have Veronica's inference that it happened that way. When we see that time again in flashback, Lucky's involved, Logan and Dick seem completely disinterested (they want to smoke pot and play video games.) and Beaver's nowhere to be seen.

Ultimately, the haves were outnumbered at the ballot box by the have nots, who were motivated to vote. Their kids were killed on the bus. Their community pool was burned down. Every event in the course of the show, including in one instance a seemingly class conflict-driven action by someome who deeply hates Woody (Lucky) and the scandals surrounding a deeply hated '09er (Logan) led to the incorporation's failure.

Who profits?

Romans 12:20-21: Therefore, if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink; for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

Be not overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Is that what really happened there? First time around, we only have Veronica's inference that it happened that way.

What do you mean by 'inference' here, victor? Veronica had a flashback of being with Logan, and seeing Dick and Beaver. Dick made a point to speak to her (I think that's when he said the "And Logan's special lady friend of whom I approve whole-heartedly"), so it wasn't her just putting the pieces together and imagining. Either the incidence with Lucky was a separate one, or the same one, but later on.

Add to this that we never got a good reason why Dr. Griffith should be coerced to convict Logan. Why would the Fitzpatricks care if one of the PCHers went down? Sure, they were working for the Fitzpatricks, but it seems unlikely that they'd care -- they sure weren't afraid they'd go tattle when they were getting roughed up. Thumper was smart and had proof on them, sure, but no one knew about that.

The PCHers ordered the hit. Thumper carried it out, and he and whomever, set up Logan. It was to the Fitzpatrick's benefit to help Thumper with his framing of Logan, because they knew there had been an eyewitness who hadn't come forward. By producing a false eyewitness, they ensured someone who wasn't actually connected to them was convicted.

They wanted to beat the real eyewitness to the punch. There'd been a lot of community heat since the murder. If the real eyewitness came forward and fingered the PCHers, how long would it have been before Thumper turned state's evidence on the Fitzpatricks?

I remember the swimming pool incident as involving Logan, Dick, and Lucky (who was, at that time, just some redshirt to me), and not Beaver. Otherwise I remember the scene as Cindy describes.

But that's my memory.

I remember the swimming pool incident as involving Logan, Dick, and Lucky (who was, at that time, just some redshirt to me), and not Beaver.

Lucky was only introduced to us two episodes ago. it was Beaver helping Dick put the gas cans in the back of Logan's OPJ XTerra.

I like the theory that Molly Fitzpatrick sent the IM to V about where to find the barracuda. it definitely fits.

I'm starting to get the niggling sensation that something is wrong with this whole question, for the simple reason that crashing the bus is a VERY complicated method of murder for a single victim. Even if the death needs to look like an accident, somebody with the kind of abilities necessary to engineer this feat could surely come up with some easier, single-murder method to get rid of one victim.

The bus crash needs to be more than an attempt to kill a single victim. It either needs to be intended to take out multiple victims, who would never be together otherwise, or it needs to have other intended effects.

So, let's imagine possible results. If the bus had gone off the cliff as intended, and been perceived as a horrible accident or suicide, then what would have been the results?

1) The driver would have been vilified - anybody have a good reason to hate him? I can't really believe it's this, since we haven't heard about him in SO LONG OMG.

2) The town, and, more importantly, school would have had to deal with a lot of grief. But this was a long time before incorporation was even publicized, and I don't believe it could have anything to do with effecting the vote. So what comes out of the grief?

3) Specifically, the entire journalism/yearbook/etc class would be dead. It would take a pretty deranged student to want to kill an entire class because of some slight, but it's possible... right? Maybe it's Ms. Whats-her-name! The journalism teacher from last year, out for revenge for disappearing! Or the other journalism teacher from last year, who got fired for not sucking in that one episode!

4) ...ideas?

Or the other journalism teacher from last year, who got fired for not sucking in that one episode!

Hey, I'm behind this one. With a voice like that, Joey Lauren Adams has got to be evil.

With the three vehicles on that same stretch of cliff at basically the same time, can we be sure that the bus, and not the limo or the Fitzpatricks car was the target? If the bomb was in the prize thingy, I'd say so. An d Woody telling Gia not to get back on the bus is definitely suspicious. But if we're discounting Woody as too obvious a candidate for the Big Bad, then the timing of all three vehicles is suspicious, even if one of them is where the call for the bomb came from.