Okay, if he really said that, then I don't care what damage he has, he deserves to be clubbed repeatedly with a clue by 4.

Wow, so many explanations I never considered. I thought he was just doing his stepmother.

Narrator, I'm wondering if the abuser isn't former little league coach, Woody Goodman, and if Beav isn't engineering both Kendall's fall, and Woody's with his little Phoenix Land Trust (Palo Alto II) real estate dealings.

I'm having a moment of cognitive dissonance. Julia is watching some show on Nick called "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide" and Cliff plays a janitor, or something. I heard the voice, and nearly jerked my head off my neck.

I didn't hear that. I doubt he said it. If he did in fact say that, I hope Mac wrings his scrawny little neck.

He absolutely said, "Good luck getting laid." I heard it the first time, rewound it for dh, and rewatched today, which is largely why I was so angry with him.

I'm having a wondering. Is Beaver the Mayor of Standoffia because him and Cordy've been at it and he's feeling guilty?

I can't put them together in my head (nor do I want to) but I thought I'd chuck the theory out there.

I don't think so.

Narrator, I'm wondering if the abuser isn't former little league coach, Woody Goodman, and if Beav isn't engineering both Kendall's fall, and Woody's with his little Phoenix Land Trust (Palo Alto II) real estate dealings.

I had forgotten about Woody being a little league coach. That gives him access to boys. Sheesh, what a creep.

I'd like it if Beaver was trying to have a little pay-back.

Q - who arranged the bus accident? Was it Woody, to get rid of Beaver or some other kids? (Woody's daughter said that he didn't want her to take the bus back to school.)

It doesn't make sense for it to have been Woody trying to kill Beaver because he knew about the limo.

One of my cohorts on MI.net has this long, involved spec that has Woody and Big Dick working together to keep Peter Ferrer from making the future mayor "the outing of all outings."

Who is Peter Ferrer?

Q - who arranged the bus accident? Was it Woody, to get rid of Beaver or some other kids? (Woody's daughter said that he didn't want her to take the bus back to school.)

I don't think it was him, but he might have known about something.

I got nothing but wild speculation on who's behind the bus crash.

But back to the idea that Beaver is planning some pay-back with this real estate investment stuff. Is there some comparision between this and the pay-back Weevil got last night? Assuming that Thumper was killed in the stadium, this was the direct result of Weevil setting him up to the Fitzpatricks. Had Weevil waited as Veronica asked while she tried something else to break the case (going to the truck driver's wife) Thumper would have been arrested. More importantly, Weevil would have gotten a more conventional "justice"/payback and not put himself in the kind of legal (he was seen knocking Thumper out) and moral jeopardy he is now in. Weevil wasn't wrong to want payback, but what he did -- and particularly when he did it (before Veronica was finished) -- was wrong.

And as long as I'm on the topic of paybacks, consider Jane's sister. When she learned that her fiance had set her up so that she backed out of the wedding in order to get the ring back, she hocked the ring and took the money to go to her first love. Healthy payback. Weevil's payback -- not so much.

Is there some comparision between these paybacks and what Beaver may be doing?

I'm having a moment of cognitive dissonance

Cindy, right there with ya. In fact, my son and I have an ongoing "hey, it's Cliff no it's Gordy" thing going on.

Maybe Bev was blackmailing Woody, and this was Woody's show of "force" to keep Bev quiet? Sorta, "I can do this to you at any minute" sort of thing?

Oh, and one last thing. At the end of the ep, as the screen shows Rob Thomas' name, there were the sounds of children laughing. That was creepy.

Who is Peter Ferrer?

Wasn't that the name of the kid who died in the bus crash who posted in the gay student's chatroom (under the name of MIZZ P) about the "outings of all outings" in Neptune? If so, then perhaps the upcoming outing was about Woody.

If Woody killed to stay in the closet, then I hope that he did not molest Beaver. It's not that gays can't be pedophiles, but it's really playing into a bad stereotype. (Vast majority of pedophiles are not homosexual, but there are quite a few on the far-right who refuse to recognize that and continually link being gay with pedophilia.)