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Jayne ,'War Stories'
Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.
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Narrator - Mar 29, 2006 9:16:18 am PST #2050 of 5730
The evil is this way?
Nora Deirdre - Mar 29, 2006 9:25:24 am PST #2051 of 5730
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
I have no problem not liking Logan. His total amorality and fuck-upedness is what is interesting to me, about him. Like Vonnie, I would like more shades of grey.
Vonnie K - Mar 29, 2006 9:26:20 am PST #2052 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
6 1/2 hours to go!
Did the preview show the Casting Spoiler? If so, it's fair game to talk about it, right?
joe boucher - Mar 29, 2006 9:43:19 am PST #2053 of 5730
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine
Did the preview show
Not sure which one you mean. Mabey from Arrested Development is in the preview; she's the one with the shaved head. George Michael from AD wasn't in the preview, just the opening scene on the UPN site. Ditto for the return of you know who. Hope that wasn't too much or too little info.
Vonnie K - Mar 29, 2006 9:47:27 am PST #2054 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
Right. I forgot about the AD alumni. No, I'm talking about the return of You Know Who, which sounds like it wasn't in the preview, just in the opening scene. I'll have to keep mum until the episode aired then.
Vonnie K - Mar 29, 2006 9:56:58 am PST #2055 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
His total amorality and fuck-upedness is what is interesting to me, about him.
Yeah. I love Logan, but I don't like him very much, you know what I mean? He's very compelling to watch in any fashion though, whether he's being amoral, downright nasty, broken, or defiant.
Nutty had a great post about him on LJ, in which she described him as "emotionally coltish.": smooth one moment and awkward next, smart enough to get himself into unusual scraps but not enough to get himself out without carnage. Struck me as right on the money.
sumi - Mar 29, 2006 11:43:48 am PST #2056 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!
Vonnie THAT casting spoiler was just in the opening scene, not in the preview.
Nutty - Mar 29, 2006 12:13:22 pm PST #2057 of 5730
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
"emotionally coltish"
Thank yew. It was sort of striking, to me, because I realized that Rob Thomas : Logan is not the same as Joss : Buffy. Joss treated BUffy as a protagonist and a viewpoint character; he loved her and was hard on her, but it was her world. Logan, it's not that he's a secondary character (although he is in some ways); it's that his author is intentionally creating moments where the audience is alienated from Logan. We're asked not just to see things through his eyes, but also to turn our eyes toward him and think critically about him.
It made me feel old, realizing that, because I look at him and say, "What an adolescent!" I never felt that way about Buffy characters; all of their adolescent stupidities were something I still felt close to. But, Thomas is creating distance on purpose, whereas Joss was all about the up-close (most of the time).
Topic!Cindy - Mar 29, 2006 12:31:14 pm PST #2058 of 5730
What is even happening?
Joss treated BUffy as a protagonist and a viewpoint character; he loved her and was hard on her, but it was her world.More than that, he treated her as a hero. Veronica isn't even treated as a hero on VM.
I love "emotionally coltish", Nutty.
Gris - Mar 29, 2006 12:45:01 pm PST #2059 of 5730
Hey. New board.
I think Logan had sex with Hannah. I also think that, when he did it, he actually liked her. Whether or not liking her was his original intent the fact is she's actually 1) pretty funny 2) seemingly intelligent 3) affectionate and 4) blonde (big for Logan).
I fully believe that choosing Hannah as his big rebound girl over, say, any other blonde chick, was, originally, a purely manipulative move on his part. But she's still his rebound girl. He really does feel emotions for her, and now that's gonna give him hell. Because Logan is most interesting to most fans when he's in emotional turmoil about girls.
ETA: I meant to say, here, that I don't think Logan would have seriously pushed for sex with Hannah. At least, not while all the father manipulation was going on. But when she did that cute "well..." and gave him the doe-eyes and he was all overwhelmed with the fact that "whoa, girl actually likes me and i actually like her too"... yeah, he did it. He's 17. Or 18. Whatever.
I'm not 100% sure Hannah has anything to do with the "terrible" thing he thinks he did, though. I think there's a good chance he actually means erasing all the tapes.