'War Stories'
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Did the preview show
Not sure which one you mean. Mabey from Arrested Development is in the preview; she's the one with the shaved head. George Michael from AD wasn't in the preview, just the opening scene on the UPN site. Ditto for the return of you know who. Hope that wasn't too much or too little info.
Right. I forgot about the AD alumni. No, I'm talking about the return of You Know Who, which sounds like it wasn't in the preview, just in the opening scene. I'll have to keep mum until the episode aired then.
His total amorality and fuck-upedness is what is interesting to me, about him.
Yeah. I love Logan, but I don't like him very much, you know what I mean? He's very compelling to watch in any fashion though, whether he's being amoral, downright nasty, broken, or defiant.
Nutty had a great post about him on LJ, in which she described him as "emotionally coltish.": smooth one moment and awkward next, smart enough to get himself into unusual scraps but not enough to get himself out without carnage. Struck me as right on the money.
Vonnie THAT casting spoiler was just in the opening scene, not in the preview.
"emotionally coltish"
Thank yew. It was sort of striking, to me, because I realized that Rob Thomas : Logan is not the same as Joss : Buffy. Joss treated BUffy as a protagonist and a viewpoint character; he loved her and was hard on her, but it was her world. Logan, it's not that he's a secondary character (although he is in some ways); it's that his author is intentionally creating moments where the audience is alienated from Logan. We're asked not just to see things through his eyes, but also to turn our eyes toward him and think critically about him.
It made me feel old, realizing that, because I look at him and say, "What an adolescent!" I never felt that way about Buffy characters; all of their adolescent stupidities were something I still felt close to. But, Thomas is creating distance on purpose, whereas Joss was all about the up-close (most of the time).
Joss treated BUffy as a protagonist and a viewpoint character; he loved her and was hard on her, but it was her world.More than that, he treated her as a hero. Veronica isn't even treated as a hero on VM.
I love "emotionally coltish", Nutty.
I think Logan had sex with Hannah. I also think that, when he did it, he actually liked her. Whether or not liking her was his original intent the fact is she's actually 1) pretty funny 2) seemingly intelligent 3) affectionate and 4) blonde (big for Logan).
I fully believe that choosing Hannah as his big rebound girl over, say, any other blonde chick, was, originally, a purely manipulative move on his part. But she's still his rebound girl. He really does feel emotions for her, and now that's gonna give him hell. Because Logan is most interesting to most fans when he's in emotional turmoil about girls.
ETA: I meant to say, here, that I don't think Logan would have seriously pushed for sex with Hannah. At least, not while all the father manipulation was going on. But when she did that cute "well..." and gave him the doe-eyes and he was all overwhelmed with the fact that "whoa, girl actually likes me and i actually like her too"... yeah, he did it. He's 17. Or 18. Whatever.
I'm not 100% sure Hannah has anything to do with the "terrible" thing he thinks he did, though. I think there's a good chance he actually means erasing all the tapes.
I never felt that way about Buffy characters; all of their adolescent stupidities were something I still felt close to. But, Thomas is creating distance on purpose, whereas Joss was all about the up-close (most of the time).
Ooh. I like your point, Nutty! I hadn't thought of it that way, but reading it, i definitely see it and agree!
I'm torn between hoping he didn't sleep with Hannah (woobie!) and hoping he did (drama!). If he did, I'm damn glad we didn't SEE any of it, because fun as the fuckedupness is, the actual interaction between them is failing to push my buttons, unless someone else (her dad, Veronica) is watching/noticing.
Interesting: no comeuppance for the rapist! Makes me think that it will be revisited. Like next year when Veronica is conveniently at Hearst!
Not so interesting: Logan in lurve with Hannah, blah. Can her dad recant his recanting? Or do prosecuters get squirrely about that? Does he just like her because no one else can stand him?
Also, I was confused by the elevator tapes. Originally I thought that Lamb was making out with Cliff's lady, and then Madison was there, and then I was all ?!??!!??
This episode made me laugh out loud a lot ("have gone on a puzzling errand.") But overall it was like, MOTW, MOTW, Logan angst, and now for our carefully portioned piece of the seasonal arc! My favorite part was the Cliff/Keith stuff. Freaking gold. Comedy gold. Also, created a mystery that was interesting.
no comeuppance for the rapist!
Yeah, I was upset because George Michael was the only other person who could have been the rapist, but I'm glad they didn't follow through with that.