Hey! What a surprise! Hostile 17! Can I get you a drink, Hostile 17?

Xander ,'Dirty Girls'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Kalshane - Dec 08, 2005 7:01:36 am PST #1460 of 5730
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I loved Veronica's little squeal of "Presents!" when Keith is taking her back to show her her "new" laptop.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 08, 2005 7:06:20 am PST #1461 of 5730
What is even happening?

Has anyone noticed how hard they're trying this season to *not* make this a high school show?

Yes, and I miss the high school.

Me too, and since it's the last season the characters can be in high school, I don't understand the rush to leave it behind. Maybe they're trying to make sure VM fans won't feel what a lot of Buffy fans felt, when the characters graduated. Still, I think they ought to milk the high school is hell stories while they can.

Ummm... locked Veronica in a box and tried to burn her alive? If he walks, it'll be because of a dumb technicality.

Ummm...rich and famous.

If it seemed odd to you, it was actively painful for me. I was sitting on the couch moaning, "no! why are you doing that? Stop it, please. Don't fill in the blanks! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP HYPOTHESIZING!"

It would have worked better, if the case was different, with the righteous person standing accused, and Veronica hypothesized them to reasonable doubt and acquittal, instead of into a conviction.

Forgot to mention: still love me some Lamb. There was good stuff in this episode-- like how amazing Veronica looked in the fun NYE scene. And of course, Logan.
Yeah. Lamb looked good in this episode, but I like him as an unattractive obstruction (although I do appreciate that the writers have given him a touch of depth here and there this season), so I don't like to think about him being pretty. Veronica did look amazing. Logan broke my heart, and Keith's kindness toward Logan made me want to hug him (Keith) more than ever.


bon bon - Dec 08, 2005 7:30:32 am PST #1462 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It would have worked better, if the case was different, with the righteous person standing accused, and Veronica hypothesized them to reasonable doubt and acquittal, instead of into a conviction.

Well, not *just* better. It's appropriate for jurors to hypothesize their way into reasonable doubt. It's not appropriate for them to hypothesize their way into beyond reasonable doubt. ESPECIALLY using evidence acquired outside of trial. The jury's burden is not to send guilty people to prison and exonerate the innocent: it's to decide whether or not the government has proved a case against the defendants.

Not only is deciding based on outside research classic error, but Veronica can't reasonably bring her suspicion of witness tampering and perjury to the police-- because it should reveal exactly how that verdict came about. No, what she's done, is created an instantly overturned verdict which would lead to a later acquittal.

Anyway. It's just a show. Just my ish with the presumption that a jury has limitless discretion.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 08, 2005 7:48:16 am PST #1463 of 5730
What is even happening?

Well, not *just* better. It's appropriate for jurors to hypothesize their way into reasonable doubt. It's not appropriate for them to hypothesize their way into beyond reasonable doubt. ESPECIALLY using evidence acquired outside of trial. The jury's burden is not to send guilty people to prison and exonerate the innocent: it's to decide whether or not the government has proved a case against the defendants.
Right. Maybe I should have just said, "It might have worked, if..."

I'm trying to write up a recappy sort of commentary for my LJ, right now, and every time I get to a scene that involves the trial, I basically give a small fact, and then say, "But I really don't want to talk about trial details." They just didn't work.


Narrator - Dec 08, 2005 8:35:32 am PST #1464 of 5730
The evil is this way?

Episode eh -- I too was bothered by the "12 Angry Men" reverse. However, the defendants have pretty close to a slam-dunk appeal unless VM told the judge about the PCHer's attempt to intimidate her. (And I'll just skip over Keith's attempt at jury tampering.)

Oh, um, NO ONE MADE A COPY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN A MURDER TRIAL? Well, ok then. If the defense didn't have a chance to examine and test the authenticity of the tapes, then this prosecution is in some trouble.

Meg. Oh, poor dead (maybe) dear. Yet, she looked pretty good for a woman who feel over a cliff and was in a coma for a few months. I do wonder if it's Duncan's kid though -- that dad is way creepy.


§ ita § - Dec 08, 2005 8:39:04 am PST #1465 of 5730
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

NO ONE MADE A COPY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN A MURDER TRIAL?

They did. He just stole all the copies, because...because...I have no idea.


sumi - Dec 08, 2005 8:40:04 am PST #1466 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, that was lame.

I wonder if they ever store copies of important evidence in more than one location?


sumi - Dec 08, 2005 8:44:12 am PST #1467 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!

And wouldn't the prosecution have it? Or does the evidence stay in lock-up while the prosecution is preparing it's case?


bon bon - Dec 08, 2005 8:48:45 am PST #1468 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Narrator's right. Defense would have a copy, assuming the prosecutor has started turning stuff over. It's not exculpatory, though.


Laura - Dec 08, 2005 8:55:03 am PST #1469 of 5730
Our wings are not tired.

There is the possibility that they gave us a crap episode so we wouldn't miss it so much over the break? At least I have the return of Wallace to anticipate in January!