To commemorate a past event, you kill and eat an animal. It's a ritual sacrifice, with pie.

Anya ,'Sleeper'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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bon bon - Dec 08, 2005 7:30:32 am PST #1462 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It would have worked better, if the case was different, with the righteous person standing accused, and Veronica hypothesized them to reasonable doubt and acquittal, instead of into a conviction.

Well, not *just* better. It's appropriate for jurors to hypothesize their way into reasonable doubt. It's not appropriate for them to hypothesize their way into beyond reasonable doubt. ESPECIALLY using evidence acquired outside of trial. The jury's burden is not to send guilty people to prison and exonerate the innocent: it's to decide whether or not the government has proved a case against the defendants.

Not only is deciding based on outside research classic error, but Veronica can't reasonably bring her suspicion of witness tampering and perjury to the police-- because it should reveal exactly how that verdict came about. No, what she's done, is created an instantly overturned verdict which would lead to a later acquittal.

Anyway. It's just a show. Just my ish with the presumption that a jury has limitless discretion.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 08, 2005 7:48:16 am PST #1463 of 5730
What is even happening?

Well, not *just* better. It's appropriate for jurors to hypothesize their way into reasonable doubt. It's not appropriate for them to hypothesize their way into beyond reasonable doubt. ESPECIALLY using evidence acquired outside of trial. The jury's burden is not to send guilty people to prison and exonerate the innocent: it's to decide whether or not the government has proved a case against the defendants.
Right. Maybe I should have just said, "It might have worked, if..."

I'm trying to write up a recappy sort of commentary for my LJ, right now, and every time I get to a scene that involves the trial, I basically give a small fact, and then say, "But I really don't want to talk about trial details." They just didn't work.


Narrator - Dec 08, 2005 8:35:32 am PST #1464 of 5730
The evil is this way?

Episode eh -- I too was bothered by the "12 Angry Men" reverse. However, the defendants have pretty close to a slam-dunk appeal unless VM told the judge about the PCHer's attempt to intimidate her. (And I'll just skip over Keith's attempt at jury tampering.)

Oh, um, NO ONE MADE A COPY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN A MURDER TRIAL? Well, ok then. If the defense didn't have a chance to examine and test the authenticity of the tapes, then this prosecution is in some trouble.

Meg. Oh, poor dead (maybe) dear. Yet, she looked pretty good for a woman who feel over a cliff and was in a coma for a few months. I do wonder if it's Duncan's kid though -- that dad is way creepy.


§ ita § - Dec 08, 2005 8:39:04 am PST #1465 of 5730
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

NO ONE MADE A COPY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN A MURDER TRIAL?

They did. He just stole all the copies, because...because...I have no idea.


sumi - Dec 08, 2005 8:40:04 am PST #1466 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, that was lame.

I wonder if they ever store copies of important evidence in more than one location?


sumi - Dec 08, 2005 8:44:12 am PST #1467 of 5730
Art Crawl!!!

And wouldn't the prosecution have it? Or does the evidence stay in lock-up while the prosecution is preparing it's case?


bon bon - Dec 08, 2005 8:48:45 am PST #1468 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Narrator's right. Defense would have a copy, assuming the prosecutor has started turning stuff over. It's not exculpatory, though.


Laura - Dec 08, 2005 8:55:03 am PST #1469 of 5730
Our wings are not tired.

There is the possibility that they gave us a crap episode so we wouldn't miss it so much over the break? At least I have the return of Wallace to anticipate in January!


P.M. Marc - Dec 08, 2005 9:15:55 am PST #1470 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yeah. Lamb looked good in this episode

I felt oddly pandered to there.


bon bon - Dec 08, 2005 9:31:15 am PST #1471 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I felt oddly pandered to there.

Like, they're usually not so, uh, naked about it? Yeah, that scene was really off in the interaction between the two, too.

As I'm reading the TWoP boards I'm remembering all the other "off" things. Like Veronica's reaction to anything Duncan did.

But I chalk it all up to the timing of the episode.