Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.
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Well, that's what Leo said about the tapes. I guess if enough witnesses testify to them, it's okay, but I bet the prosecution would have rather had the actual evidence.
I don't remember one way or the other, but, wouldn't somebody have searched the room and impounded the cameras? That goes a long way toward supporting what the tape-viewers will testify to seeing.
Also, the tapes are only necessary for a conviction on Lily's murder. Aaron Echolls is 100% dead to rights on trying to kill Veronica, and assaulting Keith. Attempted murder probably gets a shorter sentence than successful murder, but really, it ought to be a whole lot of years, right?
Unless he has a giant drug kingpin he can roll over on.
I'm no lawyer, but it seemed odd to me that they were convicting based on extrapolation.
If it seemed odd to you, it was
actively painful
for me. I was sitting on the couch moaning, "no!
why are you doing that?
Stop it, please. Don't fill in the blanks! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP HYPOTHESIZING!"
But I may have issues with jurors who do the government's work for them.
none of the episodes this season follow last year's format, where a random high school student asks Veronica to solve a mystery for them.
I do too. Last year they had basically one season-long arc, and it was kept in the background most of the time.
I like this season for that reason. I was kind of annoyed last season when the A plot got in the way of learning more about the arc (like when Rob Thomas interviewed that the last few episodes would focus entirely on the mystery...but then we get Hot Dogs and M.A.D.) I feel like most episodes this season has a one-off mystery, but still seems like it's opening up the arc. A very satisfying MoTW/arc-y mix.
If it seemed odd to you, it was actively painful for me. I was sitting on the couch moaning, "no! why are you doing that? Stop it, please. Don't fill in the blanks! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP HYPOTHESIZING!"
You and me both, bon bon. Also, JUST SAY NO TO THE JURY TAMPERING.
Forgot to mention: still love me some Lamb. There was good stuff in this episode-- like how amazing Veronica looked in the fun NYE scene. And of course, Logan.
I loved Veronica's little squeal of "Presents!" when Keith is taking her back to show her her "new" laptop.
Has anyone noticed how hard they're trying this season to *not* make this a high school show?
Yes, and I miss the high school.
Me too, and since it's the last season the characters can be in high school, I don't understand the rush to leave it behind. Maybe they're trying to make sure VM fans won't feel what a lot of Buffy fans felt, when the characters graduated. Still, I think they ought to milk the high school is hell stories while they can.
Ummm... locked Veronica in a box and tried to burn her alive? If he walks, it'll be because of a dumb technicality.
Ummm...rich and famous.
If it seemed odd to you, it was actively painful for me. I was sitting on the couch moaning, "no! why are you doing that? Stop it, please. Don't fill in the blanks! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP HYPOTHESIZING!"
It would have worked better, if the case was different, with the righteous person standing accused, and Veronica hypothesized them to reasonable doubt and acquittal, instead of into a conviction.
Forgot to mention: still love me some Lamb. There was good stuff in this episode-- like how amazing Veronica looked in the fun NYE scene. And of course, Logan.
Yeah. Lamb looked good in this episode, but I like him as an unattractive obstruction (although I do appreciate that the writers have given him a touch of depth here and there this season), so I don't like to think about him being pretty. Veronica did look amazing. Logan broke my heart, and Keith's kindness toward Logan made me want to hug him (Keith) more than ever.
It would have worked better, if the case was different, with the righteous person standing accused, and Veronica hypothesized them to reasonable doubt and acquittal, instead of into a conviction.
Well, not *just*
better.
It's appropriate for jurors to hypothesize their way into reasonable doubt. It's
not
appropriate for them to hypothesize their way into beyond reasonable doubt. ESPECIALLY using evidence acquired outside of trial. The jury's burden is not to send guilty people to prison and exonerate the innocent: it's to decide whether or not the government has proved a case against the defendants.
Not only is deciding based on outside research classic error, but Veronica can't reasonably bring her suspicion of witness tampering and perjury to the police-- because it should reveal exactly how that verdict came about. No, what she's done, is created an instantly overturned verdict which would lead to a later acquittal.
Anyway. It's just a show. Just my ish with the presumption that a jury has limitless discretion.
Well, not *just* better. It's appropriate for jurors to hypothesize their way into reasonable doubt. It's not appropriate for them to hypothesize their way into beyond reasonable doubt. ESPECIALLY using evidence acquired outside of trial. The jury's burden is not to send guilty people to prison and exonerate the innocent: it's to decide whether or not the government has proved a case against the defendants.
Right. Maybe I should have just said, "It might have worked, if..."
I'm trying to write up a recappy sort of commentary for my LJ, right now, and every time I get to a scene that involves the trial, I basically give a small fact, and then say, "But I really don't want to talk about trial details." They just didn't work.
Episode eh -- I too was bothered by the "12 Angry Men" reverse. However, the defendants have pretty close to a slam-dunk appeal unless VM told the judge about the PCHer's attempt to intimidate her. (And I'll just skip over Keith's attempt at jury tampering.)
Oh, um, NO ONE MADE A COPY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN A MURDER TRIAL? Well, ok then. If the defense didn't have a chance to examine and test the authenticity of the tapes, then this prosecution is in some trouble.
Meg. Oh, poor dead (maybe) dear. Yet, she looked pretty good for a woman who feel over a cliff and was in a coma for a few months. I do wonder if it's Duncan's kid though -- that dad is way creepy.
NO ONE MADE A COPY OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN A MURDER TRIAL?
They did. He just stole all the copies, because...because...I have no idea.
