i'm having issues reconciling it being Duncan's because of how thin Meg/Alona was in the season premiere. we can see hipbones!! if they broke up in May and the bus crash happened in september, she would have been showing a little bit by then. even if it was just a slight pouch. at this point, i don't think it's Duncan's and it ties in with how wrong Veronica's assumptions almost always are.

They need to de-murky Duncan's character pronto, because I have no idea WTF is going on with him. Did he sleep with Kendall? Didn't he?

I don't think he did. i think Kendall just meant she had been in his bed in the literal sense. as in, she was sitting naked on top of it trying to entice him. i'm no Donut lover(unless they're Dunkin'), but i just don't see him sleeping with Kendall. hot or not. plus, it was pretty clear to me from his actions in this episode that he had no interest in her and knew what she was trying to pull.

If there's a movie physics site [link] I wonder if there's a movie medicine site. I have coma questions.

Nutty, I think you are correct with that.

But, hey, TV medicine. Those dainty monitors on her belly looked like no external fetal monitoring device I'd ever seen, and I've seen a lot of external fetal monitoring devices.

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Part of it is the plausability factor(so not only was Meg the only one to survive the crash, but she didn't miscarry either?)

What Cindy said about pregnancy and miscarriages, especially first-trimester. Don't believe the TV tropes, for they are laughable. I swear, the only realistic miscarriage I've seen on TV was Hope's late miscarriage on thirtysomething. (I always feel like I'm outing myself when I talk about thirtysomething, like it's some deep shameful addiction from my past, and I'm not sure why that is, because for all the navel-gazing, it was a pretty okay show.)

Pregnancy Dating 101: it's usually measured in weeks, dated from the LMP (aka, the last time you fell to the commies). Which, yes, means there are about two weeks where you're not even close to pregnant. A normal cycle, by the time you'd notice you were late, you'd be 4.5-5 weeks along. Fic writers, please take note so that I don't have to laugh at your three weeks pregnant character what is one week late.

As mentioned, pregnancy bellys vary. Compare Amy Acker's delicate little bump from last year to Jennifer Garner's very large one from about two months ago (to put them at about the same point in their respective pregnancies).

So, to be slightly more precise than I was last night, the belly o' Meg looked to be anywhere from 25-32 weeks, based on the hundreds and hundreds of belly shots I looked at when I was pregnant, on bedrest, and bored out of my skull. But again, TV pregnancy, which either lasts three months to full term, or 13. (Ah, X-Files, I loved you so when you were good, but WHY did I keep watching?)

Lastly, to get up on my high-horse and no doubt take things out of context, because I feel there's a weird undercurrent in the discussion of Meg that makes me uncomfortable. dude, being bitter at the girlfriend of your ex-boyfriend, when the girlfried gave you her basic blessing to date the ex-boyfriend when he was HER ex-boyfriend doesn't make you a bitch, it just makes you human. Getting knocked up unexpectedly does not make you a ho or a bad person. It just makes you pregnant. And possibly extra-bitchy, but hey, hormones. Even if Meg got pregnant on the rebound, that doesn't make her a tramp.

the last time you fell to the commies

Took me a while to parse, but made me laugh like a drain.

I think that feelings of bitterness and jealousy toward an ex's new girlfriend are normal. But I think unjustifiably treating someone badly-- like say stranding them at a gas station-- makes one a bitch. Veronica was in a similar situation with Meg and wouldn't punish Meg for it. Meg owed her the same courtesy.

Took me a while to parse, but made me laugh like a drain.

I think it's Cashmere who coined it around here.

But I think unjustifiably treating someone badly-- like say stranding them at a gas station-- makes one a bitch.

I think it's a bitchy thing to do, but that a bitchy, spiteful action when hurting doesn't make a person a bitch, if that makes sense.

No, it makes sense. I think what circumstances will excuse what behavior differs from person to person, so I wouldn't argue with you. For me, though, the fact that Veronica tolerated a similar situation with Meg makes Meg's actions especially ill-founded. Anyway.

I kind of suspect it's not Duncan's baby. It's her Dad's. Because of my pet theory that it's Chinatown. bon bon "Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind." Nov 22, 2005 12:10:36 pm PST

But that would only work if it were Gia who's pregnant!

I think that feelings of bitterness and jealousy toward an ex's new girlfriend are normal. But I think unjustifiably treating someone badly-- like say stranding them at a gas station-- makes one a bitch. Veronica was in a similar situation with Meg and wouldn't punish Meg for it. Meg owed her the same courtesy.

Yes, this. Veronica can be incredibly vindictive and sometimes has some questionable ethics, she's still a good person at heart. The Meg we were introduced to last year was both a good person at heart and lacking in the vindictiveness and ethical deficiencies. At her core, she was a nicer/better person than Veronica.

This year we're presented with a person who's willing to leave Veronica stranded at a bus station and practically tears her head off when Veronica is trying to help her with the falsified drug test results. Plus we find out her parents are psychotic freaks, which wasn't even hinted at previously.

The Meg we were introduced to last year was both a good person at heart and lacking in the vindictiveness and ethical deficiencies.

I blame the Duncan cooties.

Now I have another theory. A cheap trick like making Meg's family so villainous is not VM-esque; they're usually a little more restrained with motivations. But Veronica makes that mistake all the time-- she's always quick to think someone's got some horrifically machiavellian scheme or past they're covering up. (She gets that from Keith.) So Veronica will jump to the conclusion that the child is a product of abuse. I think this episode is seeding a larger plot where her unfounded suspicions get her in much, much bigger trouble.

ETA: though Meg's mom trying to kill her puts a different spin on just how bad her family is-- and one asks just why she wanted her dead. (Because she knows it's her husband's child.) Why did the alternate ending end in a cliffhanger if they're not going to follow it up? I kind of thought they might actually air it at the beginning of the next episode.