We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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P.M. Marc - Dec 01, 2005 9:41:56 am PST #1273 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Nutty, I think you are correct with that.

But, hey, TV medicine. Those dainty monitors on her belly looked like no external fetal monitoring device I'd ever seen, and I've seen a lot of external fetal monitoring devices.

Re:

Part of it is the plausability factor(so not only was Meg the only one to survive the crash, but she didn't miscarry either?)

What Cindy said about pregnancy and miscarriages, especially first-trimester. Don't believe the TV tropes, for they are laughable. I swear, the only realistic miscarriage I've seen on TV was Hope's late miscarriage on thirtysomething. (I always feel like I'm outing myself when I talk about thirtysomething, like it's some deep shameful addiction from my past, and I'm not sure why that is, because for all the navel-gazing, it was a pretty okay show.)

Pregnancy Dating 101: it's usually measured in weeks, dated from the LMP (aka, the last time you fell to the commies). Which, yes, means there are about two weeks where you're not even close to pregnant. A normal cycle, by the time you'd notice you were late, you'd be 4.5-5 weeks along. Fic writers, please take note so that I don't have to laugh at your three weeks pregnant character what is one week late.

As mentioned, pregnancy bellys vary. Compare Amy Acker's delicate little bump from last year to Jennifer Garner's very large one from about two months ago (to put them at about the same point in their respective pregnancies).

So, to be slightly more precise than I was last night, the belly o' Meg looked to be anywhere from 25-32 weeks, based on the hundreds and hundreds of belly shots I looked at when I was pregnant, on bedrest, and bored out of my skull. But again, TV pregnancy, which either lasts three months to full term, or 13. (Ah, X-Files, I loved you so when you were good, but WHY did I keep watching?)

Lastly, to get up on my high-horse and no doubt take things out of context, because I feel there's a weird undercurrent in the discussion of Meg that makes me uncomfortable. dude, being bitter at the girlfriend of your ex-boyfriend, when the girlfried gave you her basic blessing to date the ex-boyfriend when he was HER ex-boyfriend doesn't make you a bitch, it just makes you human. Getting knocked up unexpectedly does not make you a ho or a bad person. It just makes you pregnant. And possibly extra-bitchy, but hey, hormones. Even if Meg got pregnant on the rebound, that doesn't make her a tramp.


bon bon - Dec 01, 2005 9:56:16 am PST #1274 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

the last time you fell to the commies

Took me a while to parse, but made me laugh like a drain.

I think that feelings of bitterness and jealousy toward an ex's new girlfriend are normal. But I think unjustifiably treating someone badly-- like say stranding them at a gas station-- makes one a bitch. Veronica was in a similar situation with Meg and wouldn't punish Meg for it. Meg owed her the same courtesy.


P.M. Marc - Dec 01, 2005 10:01:02 am PST #1275 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Took me a while to parse, but made me laugh like a drain.

I think it's Cashmere who coined it around here.

But I think unjustifiably treating someone badly-- like say stranding them at a gas station-- makes one a bitch.

I think it's a bitchy thing to do, but that a bitchy, spiteful action when hurting doesn't make a person a bitch, if that makes sense.


bon bon - Dec 01, 2005 10:15:23 am PST #1276 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

No, it makes sense. I think what circumstances will excuse what behavior differs from person to person, so I wouldn't argue with you. For me, though, the fact that Veronica tolerated a similar situation with Meg makes Meg's actions especially ill-founded. Anyway.

I kind of suspect it's not Duncan's baby. It's her Dad's. Because of my pet theory that it's Chinatown. bon bon "Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind." Nov 22, 2005 12:10:36 pm PST


Hayden - Dec 01, 2005 10:19:36 am PST #1277 of 5730
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

But that would only work if it were Gia who's pregnant!


Kalshane - Dec 01, 2005 10:20:03 am PST #1278 of 5730
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I think that feelings of bitterness and jealousy toward an ex's new girlfriend are normal. But I think unjustifiably treating someone badly-- like say stranding them at a gas station-- makes one a bitch. Veronica was in a similar situation with Meg and wouldn't punish Meg for it. Meg owed her the same courtesy.

Yes, this. Veronica can be incredibly vindictive and sometimes has some questionable ethics, she's still a good person at heart. The Meg we were introduced to last year was both a good person at heart and lacking in the vindictiveness and ethical deficiencies. At her core, she was a nicer/better person than Veronica.

This year we're presented with a person who's willing to leave Veronica stranded at a bus station and practically tears her head off when Veronica is trying to help her with the falsified drug test results. Plus we find out her parents are psychotic freaks, which wasn't even hinted at previously.


P.M. Marc - Dec 01, 2005 10:25:14 am PST #1279 of 5730
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The Meg we were introduced to last year was both a good person at heart and lacking in the vindictiveness and ethical deficiencies.

I blame the Duncan cooties.


bon bon - Dec 01, 2005 10:27:48 am PST #1280 of 5730
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Now I have another theory. A cheap trick like making Meg's family so villainous is not VM-esque; they're usually a little more restrained with motivations. But Veronica makes that mistake all the time-- she's always quick to think someone's got some horrifically machiavellian scheme or past they're covering up. (She gets that from Keith.) So Veronica will jump to the conclusion that the child is a product of abuse. I think this episode is seeding a larger plot where her unfounded suspicions get her in much, much bigger trouble.

ETA: though Meg's mom trying to kill her puts a different spin on just how bad her family is-- and one asks just why she wanted her dead. (Because she knows it's her husband's child.) Why did the alternate ending end in a cliffhanger if they're not going to follow it up? I kind of thought they might actually air it at the beginning of the next episode.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 01, 2005 1:12:17 pm PST #1281 of 5730
What is even happening?

Now I have another theory. A cheap trick like making Meg's family so villainous is not VM-esque; they're usually a little more restrained with motivations. But Veronica makes that mistake all the time-- she's always quick to think someone's got some horrifically machiavellian scheme or past they're covering up. (She gets that from Keith.) So Veronica will jump to the conclusion that the child is a product of abuse. I think this episode is seeding a larger plot where her unfounded suspicions get her in much, much bigger trouble.

I want to agree with you, but I think leaving a child that age, alone at home, never mind locked in a cubby, and all the notebooks (upon notebooks) of punishment-writing can't have a conclusion that lies outside the realm of abusive.


Sheryl - Dec 01, 2005 1:16:15 pm PST #1282 of 5730
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

From the promo it seems like Veronica has jumped to the conclusion that Meg's baby was fathered by Duncan. (I hope it isn't because making Duncan the Worst. Boyfriend. Ever by way of dumping his pregnant ex is a cheap way out. As would be a cheating revelation, but I digress)

edited for spelling