I wasn't spoiled for that. I know who the killer is, but not the how's or the why's. I knew she was seeing Logan by the end of the season, but that's about it.

That's where I was when i started watching. too.

I was shocked to find someone on my flist today that just saw WoCD and had not been spoiled for the KISS!!

Is that the one with Logan at the hotel? I wasn't spoiled for that either. I know who the killer is, and that someone's at the door in the finale, but basically I escaped all but the inescapable.

I've been watching the summer reruns, and enjoying them. I didn't like the pilot, but every episode I watch gets a little better, and I love Logan/Veronica.

Am I the only one who doesn't quite buy Logan and Veronica getting together?

It's not that I don't *like* them together (the jury's still out on that); it's that it seemed to come out of the blue.

It might come out of the blue, but I sometimes process relationships on TV shows at a kind of 12-year-old girl level, so it doesn't bother me as much. He is pretty and wounded, she is pretty and sassy, and when they kiss, I squee. Very Pavlovian of me.

I sort of saw the chemistry between those two as early as episode 4 (the mail-scam one with lots of flashbacks and Lilly's tribute video at the end) so when they finally smooched, I felt like it was a while coming. Mind you, I think their relationship is hella dysfunctional and I've been seeing bright neon flashes over their heads with the word "DOOMED!" written since they got together. But I bought the relationship the way it was written.

But I bought the relationship the way it was written.

I did too. I had some trouble with Veronica being willing to help Logan when he wanted her to find his mom, but they built up to that with the poker game episode. Once we got the hurt and comfort of the episodes about looking for his mom, I figured (utterly screwed up, doomed) romance wasn't far behind.

Yeah, the poker game episode showed the sharp banter without much acrimony (and Logan being impressed with Veronica's sleuthing skills and card-tricks.) I think the real turning point in their relationship, one that allowed Veronica to accept his plea for help to find his mother, occurred during the eavesdropped conversation from the consellor's office; Logan's genuine grief at Lilly's death, that his nastiness to Veronica was part displaced guilt (not that it excused his behavior), and the whole "what is so great about living?" bit. Well, that scene sort of sucker-punched *me* so maybe I'm projecting.

Am I the only one who doesn't quite buy Logan and Veronica getting together?

You mean you're not on the LoVe train? (Sorry. I haven't even started watching, yet. The "LoVe" thing just cracks me up.)

I think the real turning point in their relationship, one that allowed Veronica to accept his plea for help to find his mother, occurred during the eavesdropped conversation from the consellor's office; Logan's genuine grief at Lilly's death, that his nastiness to Veronica was part displaced guilt (not that it excused his behavior), and the whole "what is so great about living?" bit. Well, that scene sort of sucker-punched *me* so maybe I'm projecting.

This is also very true. It's the hurt woobie stuff. Gets me every time.

Am I the only one who doesn't quite buy Logan and Veronica getting together?

what i didn't buy was the way they acted in M.A.D. it didn't work for me. i wanted to see angst with them working through the way they treated each other for a year and a half. of course, that could just be my masochistic side talking.

I didn't think it came out of nowhere though. i'm like Vonnie. i saw the sexual tension as early as the fourth ep. really...the pilot in hindsight. Logan was always watching Veronica and commenting about her. you know what they say..."thin line between love and hate".