You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin' command here.

Jayne ,'The Train Job'


Spike's Bitches 25 to Life  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Steph L. - Jul 18, 2005 7:20:17 am PDT #1450 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

B&J's Flavor Locator

I'm gonna be in Vermont in 3 weeks -- Ben & Jerry's tour, baby!!!


ChiKat - Jul 18, 2005 7:22:06 am PDT #1451 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

B&J's Flavor Locator says the nearest Chocolate Therapy to me is in Mccomb Mississippi. That's so wrong.

Oh, that is sad. I've been to McComb and it's a nice little town, but you shouldn't have to go there for ice cream. If you do and you need it, I know the bail bondsman there.

On Plei's rec, I got some of that last week. It lasted 2 days.


WindSparrow - Jul 18, 2005 7:22:34 am PDT #1452 of 10001
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

Steph, would it help to remember that boundaries are limits you put on your own behavior? Being aware of what resources you have to give out to others, and what you need to reserve for yourself, may help. Remember that If You Do Not Take Care of Yourself, You CANNOT Take Care of Anyone Else.

And? It's ok to not be perfect at setting and enforcing boundaries. It may take a while for it to really gel for you. That time between recognizing that you need to work on your boundaries and figuring out what YOU specifically need to do to set and keep 'em - is valuable, and it is very individual. Maybe you, as an individual, need more official work on the concept, like in a support group, or more therapy, or reading self-help books. Or maybe you just need time to bake. But whatever it is, you need it.

You, Steph, are a beautiful, wonderful woman. You are capable of making your life better.


-t - Jul 18, 2005 7:27:21 am PDT #1453 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

If you do and you need it, I know the bail bondsman there.

I'm going to think of that every time I drive through Mississippi. I hope it never comes in handy. And they don't take away my cell phone and keep me from reaching my invisible friends that will help me get out of jail if it does.


Beverly - Jul 18, 2005 7:35:33 am PDT #1454 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Successful surgery and quick recovery vibes for erika's mom.

Tep, you've gotten great advice. And I've found that each case renegotiates the boundaries somewhat, though they get firmer as you get used to maintaining them.


Steph L. - Jul 18, 2005 7:35:57 am PDT #1455 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Steph, would it help to remember that boundaries are limits you put on your own behavior?

Yeah, but -- oh, the guilt! My Dad calls me every. single. day. Sometimes twice. I have nothing new to tell him, and he has nothing new to tell me; his default introductory phone phrase is "I just wanted to see what was going on."

I know that he's lonely. He doesn't have to be, but he is. I am not the outlet for his loneliness. I am not a substitute spouse, which is what it feels like most of the time, and let me tell you, if it *sounds* creepy (and it should), just try and imagine what it *feels* like.

So what do I do? Say "Dad! Stop calling me every single day!!!"?

If I don't answer the phone (thank you, Caller ID!), he just calls back. And calls back. And calls back. But never leaves a message or calls my cell phone, which is what I would expect him to do in an emergency. And then when I finally *do* answer the phone, he immediately asks me, "Where were you?"

I know he's lonely, and he's probably looking for security. But creeping kudzu-like into all aspects of my life is not the way to get security. Or, even if it is, where is the dividing line between Dutiful Daughter and Appendage of Parent?

And that's where the guilt comes in. Because how do you tell your aging, single, heart-disease-riddled parent to BACK THE HELL OFF?

I hate it. And -- I'm serious -- most days I wish I were still just fucked up and not even aware that I was lacking boundaries.


§ ita § - Jul 18, 2005 7:36:41 am PDT #1456 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You can't MAKE them feel anything.

I'm pretty sure I can take responsibility for having made people feel certain ways -- there are things I shouldn't have done, and things I'm pretty glad I did, because of what they elicited.

I mean -- I don't think it's fair to say I'd choose the emotion I'd feel in response to a) getting a black belt b) losing my family c) being fired. Dealing with those emotions is something under my control, but that's different.

It's a balancing game, to take care of how you deal with people and how you deal with yourself. Steph, you're doing something hard, very hard. And it'll take practice. But strength and intention are important, and you have both.


Steph L. - Jul 18, 2005 7:43:45 am PDT #1457 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

But strength and intention are important, and you have both.

Can I just kick people in the head? It would be SO much easier and faster than actual mental health.


-t - Jul 18, 2005 7:46:07 am PDT #1458 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Can I just kick people in the head? It would be SO much easier and faster than actual mental health.

Not mutually exclusive options. Possibly synergistic.


Steph L. - Jul 18, 2005 7:48:50 am PDT #1459 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Can I just kick people in the head? It would be SO much easier and faster than actual mental health.

Not mutually exclusive options. Possibly synergistic.

Sweet!