From an email I got today:

Also, on Sandy's departure, actually this term it was her who joined the "conservative majority" of Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas. Kennedy was the one who broke away and voted with the "liberals." So, it really isn't that big a deal that she stepped down.

It would be a fight either way. And it surely will be one.

ETA: Why do paragraph breaks break my italics now?

ETA2: I'm having drinks with one of Ginsburg's OT2005 clerks tonight, so I will get more skinny then, but probably won't be posting all weekend.

Surely whether you are long or short waisted has more to do with where your waist is than where yor hips are? Though the difference is probably academic.

In my lexicon, "princess" means with seams running verically from neck to hem, no waist (or natural waist, but no seam there).

I think princess seams are vertical and run from under the bust to where the garment starts to largen out for the hips. Or if it's a blouse, to the bottom hem.

They make some of us look like we have breasts, which can be good.

I'm having drinks with one of Ginsburg's OT2005 clerks tonight, so I will get more skinny then, but probably won't be posting all weekend.

I'd be very interested to hear what you find out.

I think princess seams are vertical and run from under the bust to where the garment starts to largen out for the hips.

My understanding of the princess waist is that it's basically a silhouette with princess seams, and the flare out starts below the natural waistline.

I think any time you're dealing with fashion vocab, there is too much variation in what people call things anymore to ever be able to actually figure anything out.

Is what I think.

Also, I should really go to the post office, but crap -- it's so far I just don't want to! But it does seem nice out, so maybe I need to get up off my fat ass.

Princess seams are vertical, but "princess waist" is pretty much the same as empire waist -- the garment gets really narrow really high up on the body.

Surely whether you are long or short waisted has more to do with where your waist is than where yor hips are?

For the purposes of clothing, though, it doesn't matter whether your bellybutton is way up kissing your sternum or not; what matters is that the wide parts of your body aren't far enough away from each other (or are too far away) for the garment to sit properly. The narrow parts are sort of fungible, most of the time, but the wide parts you kinda have to accomodate.

In other news, random chair men showed up just now and gave me a new chair. It is all adapt-y and with wheels. I did not ask for it. I am not looking a gift-horse in the mouth.

I'm trying to work out why terminology never seemed to be an issue when I took that fashion drawing course, and am coming up blank. Maybe because we were just transcribing from 3D to 2, and who cares what the words are ... not sure.

They make some of us look like we have breasts, which can be good.

They make others of us look taller and slimmer than we are, which can also be good.

This is what I think of when I'm thinking princess waist -- empire waist, on the other hand, has a defined cinch point right under the breasts, and may or may not follow body contours after that (often obscuring the natural waist), whereas the princess waist is more what I think of as fitted all through the torso.

it doesn't matter whether your bellybutton is way up kissing your sternum or not

It does if you're trying to belt at your natural waist and that narrowest point is way up under the boobies, surely? I mean, that's what the rise is all about -- distance crotch to waist, and it's not trivial.