I'm trying to work out why terminology never seemed to be an issue when I took that fashion drawing course, and am coming up blank. Maybe because we were just transcribing from 3D to 2, and who cares what the words are ... not sure.

They make some of us look like we have breasts, which can be good.

They make others of us look taller and slimmer than we are, which can also be good.

This is what I think of when I'm thinking princess waist -- empire waist, on the other hand, has a defined cinch point right under the breasts, and may or may not follow body contours after that (often obscuring the natural waist), whereas the princess waist is more what I think of as fitted all through the torso.

it doesn't matter whether your bellybutton is way up kissing your sternum or not

It does if you're trying to belt at your natural waist and that narrowest point is way up under the boobies, surely? I mean, that's what the rise is all about -- distance crotch to waist, and it's not trivial.

ita's princess waist is mine. I would call that a natural waist, also, which might be wrong.

So, like, what kind of raises are folks in the IT industry getting? I only got 2% this year. My bosses say that's because they bought this building a year ago and have yet to find a tennant to rent it (we only use about 1/4th of the space).

So I'm annoyed, but then again, the way things are going in the IT job market I realize the days of 10% raises are long gone....

I'm trying to work out why terminology never seemed to be an issue when I took that fashion drawing course

Maybe that's because the terminology was being defined by the teacher? I remember college tech classes and I know I still call things by the names I first learned there, even though there are alternate names for many of them.

I think Souter was Poppy's little "fuck you" to the neo-cons

It's a strange, strange day when I find myself missing George the Elder. He, at least, would have probably respected the CIA reportage. And now he and Bill (damn, I miss Bill) are the niftiest odd couple of politics. Apparently Barbara calls Bill "son".

Empire waist: (from the Empire period) [link]

I have never heard of a princess waist, just princess seams:

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Apparently Barbara calls Bill "son".

Seriously? That's...I have no words.

So, like, what kind of raises are folks in the IT industry getting?

I'm not industry, really (I am, but I'm subcontracted to academia on the east coast, so who the hell knows).... With the exception of one really bad year for everyone (I think the best raise for super-duper-saving-the-world type work was a merit raise of 3% that go around), it is usually 4-5%. I don't know about this year, but considering the budget cuts, it might be another 1.5% year. If I get one at all.