I think any time you're dealing with fashion vocab, there is too much variation in what people call things anymore to ever be able to actually figure anything out.

Is what I think.

Also, I should really go to the post office, but crap -- it's so far I just don't want to! But it does seem nice out, so maybe I need to get up off my fat ass.

Princess seams are vertical, but "princess waist" is pretty much the same as empire waist -- the garment gets really narrow really high up on the body.

Surely whether you are long or short waisted has more to do with where your waist is than where yor hips are?

For the purposes of clothing, though, it doesn't matter whether your bellybutton is way up kissing your sternum or not; what matters is that the wide parts of your body aren't far enough away from each other (or are too far away) for the garment to sit properly. The narrow parts are sort of fungible, most of the time, but the wide parts you kinda have to accomodate.

In other news, random chair men showed up just now and gave me a new chair. It is all adapt-y and with wheels. I did not ask for it. I am not looking a gift-horse in the mouth.

I'm trying to work out why terminology never seemed to be an issue when I took that fashion drawing course, and am coming up blank. Maybe because we were just transcribing from 3D to 2, and who cares what the words are ... not sure.

They make some of us look like we have breasts, which can be good.

They make others of us look taller and slimmer than we are, which can also be good.

This is what I think of when I'm thinking princess waist -- empire waist, on the other hand, has a defined cinch point right under the breasts, and may or may not follow body contours after that (often obscuring the natural waist), whereas the princess waist is more what I think of as fitted all through the torso.

it doesn't matter whether your bellybutton is way up kissing your sternum or not

It does if you're trying to belt at your natural waist and that narrowest point is way up under the boobies, surely? I mean, that's what the rise is all about -- distance crotch to waist, and it's not trivial.

ita's princess waist is mine. I would call that a natural waist, also, which might be wrong.

So, like, what kind of raises are folks in the IT industry getting? I only got 2% this year. My bosses say that's because they bought this building a year ago and have yet to find a tennant to rent it (we only use about 1/4th of the space).

So I'm annoyed, but then again, the way things are going in the IT job market I realize the days of 10% raises are long gone....

I'm trying to work out why terminology never seemed to be an issue when I took that fashion drawing course

Maybe that's because the terminology was being defined by the teacher? I remember college tech classes and I know I still call things by the names I first learned there, even though there are alternate names for many of them.

I think Souter was Poppy's little "fuck you" to the neo-cons

It's a strange, strange day when I find myself missing George the Elder. He, at least, would have probably respected the CIA reportage. And now he and Bill (damn, I miss Bill) are the niftiest odd couple of politics. Apparently Barbara calls Bill "son".

Empire waist: (from the Empire period) [link]

I have never heard of a princess waist, just princess seams:

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