Oh! Betsy, you do know that Holy Clothing has a web site so you don't have to go through eBay auctions, right? Let me see if I can find the link ...

Please for me too! Clothes that fit that won't bankrupt me!

But I think of style as an expression of an inner life

Do you consider the inverse to be true, also?

I never cared much - but I like to look appropriate for the occassion - look what I got - Mr. always appropriate. Matt has some sloppy clothes - but the are for working out. I never have to worry about what he will look like. and he never has to worry about me. He does - but that's becasue he will err on the conservative side.

I think womens' grooming has shifted in its level of social "obligation." Which is a really really good thing and now its more a matter of personal expression -- but until about a week ago and, it seems like, from the dawn of time before that it was a major valuation of her "worth".

And I think when people do keep up that value judgment they're more likely to be women than men.

To me "inner life" seems like it may be pushing it. I guess it can be that -- but a lot of people just consider it time they'd rather be doing ______.

Holy Clothing Direct: [link]

Do you consider the inverse to be true, also?

Of course. People that lack style have no inner life. t /Lying For Rhetorical Effect

No. But I am personally more attracted to people who can give their imagination a witty/playful physical expression. Again falling under the heading, Why Jilli Is Like A Superhero To Me.

Thank you, Jilli.

A certain level of grooming for both men and women--clean body and clothes, combed hair, seems to be a minimum for daily discourse with anyone. I think men or women would steer clear of someone with matted hair or unwashed clothes. In style or out doesn't matter as much as grooming--going out without makes one look craxy or like one doesn't care about anything. Extras like stylish clothes, make-up, cool eyeglasses and whatnot are all personal expression.

Do you consider the inverse to be true, also?

Of course. People that lack style have no inner life.

Their inner lives are just very very calm.

No, I knew it was a simplistic question when I asked it, and I really didn't mean it to be, but -- well, some people dress weird just to get attention, and some people who are unkempt have rich inner lives.

signed,
wearing khakis and a white t-shirt today and not in the least bit defensive, nope, not me, nuh-uh, no way

Robin is right; also the minimum level of grooming has gone down. No hats, no girdles for women, no high heels for women. A clean sweatsuit is acceptable outdoor wear.