Aw, JZ, I hope you guys enjoy them. Also? The thing is in the mail. You know, that thing? No, not that, the other thing. Yeah. That thing. Let me know when it gets there, would you? And thanks again.

Deena, job-done-ma to you to the nth degree. Once done, you can play, right?

This was, unsurprisingly, a big thing in the freak-ass church. They equated any sort of consumption of porn (i.e., reading Playboy, renting a movie, even if you rent it to watch it with your spouse) with porn addiction, and therefore all porn is the devil's work and destroys families and society.

I'm embarrassed to admit this given my current writing aspirations, but my senior year in college one of our InterVarsity staff workers gave a talk on lust where he condemned romance novels as sinful because they might make us women feel regret once we were married "if our husbands couldn't sweep us off our feet like the romance heroes." Like the good little girl I wanted to be, I promptly came home and got rid of all my romances--which happened to be the relatively tame traditional Regencies, because I already felt guilty about reading anything with explicit sex scenes.

That said, I am seriously skeeved by what I perceive to be the typical porn image of a woman. It's almost like a caricature. So I'd feel creeped out and threatened if DH spent a lot of time looking at porn in a way I wouldn't if he told me he fantasized about, say, Natalie Portman or Kate Winslet.

Thing, eye, out-keeping. Will do. Just not literally, because, ouch.

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Iguess for me porn is the stuff that takes away from a relationship - all the rest is erotica. It is not the normal definition, but it the one in my head. Romance novels are good for my marriage. I switch gears very slowly - so if I am doing the dishes - sex is a forgien concept. a good romance novel puts my brain in the right place.

I walk a very fine line in regards to porn. While finding some of it exciting, I worry about the objectification of women. And I worry that supporting "legitimate" forms of pornography somehow contributes to the existence of "lower" forms of porn. Let's face it, not all women (or men) go into the porn business because they like sex and want to make money at it--just like prostitution. And while this may seem like splitting hairs, I think I'll always have those concerns.

I think I'm mostly talking about printed and video porn here--not written porn.

I think most romance novels are concerned with the romance part--with bits of sex thrown in for fun. So I don't consider them in any way, pornographic.

Iguess for me porn is the stuff that takes away from a relationship - all the rest is erotica.

No no. Erotica is porn that sucks, but not in the good way.

Erotica is porn in those fuzzy pink maribou high-heeled slippers.

I worry about the objectification of women

notes "only gay porn" in Cashmere's file

I think porn is, like most things, value-neutral on its own, and either good or bad depending on how it's used/produced/presented.

I think I came up with my definition of porn because printed porn - does nothing for me. video - I need context - not just people doing various sex acts.

Deena, job-done-ma to you to the nth degree. Once done, you can play, right?

I wish. In about 8 minutes I have to call and discuss the work I just (badly) finished, and then run through an online presentation, and then attend the online presentation so I can run the slides since he's afraid of technology, and then I have more work to do after that, though I may shovel out my living room instead of doing any more paid work today. It's a conundrum. I need to get the paying stuff done, but the mess surrounding me is driving me insane.