I think I came up with my definition of porn because printed porn - does nothing for me. video - I need context - not just people doing various sex acts.

Deena, job-done-ma to you to the nth degree. Once done, you can play, right?

I wish. In about 8 minutes I have to call and discuss the work I just (badly) finished, and then run through an online presentation, and then attend the online presentation so I can run the slides since he's afraid of technology, and then I have more work to do after that, though I may shovel out my living room instead of doing any more paid work today. It's a conundrum. I need to get the paying stuff done, but the mess surrounding me is driving me insane.

Romance novels are good for my marriage. I switch gears very slowly - so if I am doing the dishes - sex is a forgien concept. a good romance novel puts my brain in the right place.

I'm the same way. So both reading and writing this stuff is good for my marriage.

I worry about the objectification of women. And I worry that supporting "legitimate" forms of pornography somehow contributes to the existence of "lower" forms of porn.

Yes, this.

I think most romance novels are concerned with the romance part--with bits of sex thrown in for fun. So I don't consider them in any way, pornographic.

Me neither. Though in the wip, the sex is too important for character development to take out without gutting the story, so I wouldn't quite say it's thrown in for fun, either.

Erotica is porn you like...porn is porn you don't like...I think Gloria Steinem said that.

...and obscenity is porn you don't think anyone should like.

Of course, how could I forget! Thanks, Fred.

the sex is too important for character development to take out without gutting the story, so I wouldn't quite say it's thrown in for fun, either.

yup, I like it all to fit together.

and fred pete and erika find the quote that makes sense to me. one point each.

Well, let's just say I remember stuff I'm interested in, then.