Pretty cool except for the part where I was really terrified and now my knees are all dizzy.

Willow ,'Never Leave Me'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


JohnSweden - Apr 11, 2005 9:07:56 am PDT #4641 of 10001
I can't even.

The Inklings, and their co-horts, were the last vestiges of Victorian/Edwardian writers. They reveled in their non-modernity and rejected the new stuff (JRRT was notorious in his dislike of television, and even though he had a car while his kids were still living at home, he got rid of it during WWII or right after, and never bought another).

Not abnormal for people of their generation, never mind of their particular circumstance. Like or dislike them, but their work needs to addressed in context.

You know, if my mother had named me "Clive Staples," I might not have had the most enlightened attitudes towards women either.

Especially if you had been born in 1898 and lived a stuffy sheltered professor's life and died before the revolutions of the sixties caught flame.


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:08:03 am PDT #4642 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

If smoking wasn't bad for you I'd have a cigarette holder.


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:08:30 am PDT #4643 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

If smoking wasn't bad for you I'd be smoking a pipe as well as cigars and cigarettes. They're all so cool. Plus I like fancy lighters and the various other accoutrements that go along with smoking. And it'd give me something to do with my hands when I'm sitting around waiting for something....

Yeah, don't get me started on how cool smoking is with all the fun stuff and business to do. Except it only gives you something to do with your hands in the privacy of your own home anymore -- at least where I live, you can't smoke inside anywhere else.

Pipes have got to be less bad for you than cigarettes, don't they?


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:10:06 am PDT #4644 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Like or dislike them, but their work needs to addressed in context.

Of course it does, just as Hemingway does and Jane Austen does. We are embedded in our time as a fly in amber.

But there's a difference between literary criticism and saying "this rubs me the wrong way". Lewis was very important to my youth and adolescence, and so was Tolkien. They shaped me. But their treatment of women also gives me hives. I don't see myself in their worlds; their worlds don't have room for me. (This isn't true of late Lewis, but it's certainly true of middle Lewis -- see That Hideous Strength.)


tommyrot - Apr 11, 2005 9:10:28 am PDT #4645 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Pipes have got to be less bad for you than cigarettes, don't they?

Aren't you smoking the same stuff? Pipes can have filters, but aren't they similar to cigarette filters? Or are they better?

I think water pipes are less bad....


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:11:03 am PDT #4646 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Aren't you smoking the same stuff? Pipes can have filters, but aren't they similar to cigarette filetes? Or are they better?

Well, yeah, OK. But so fun!! And the smell!


tommyrot - Apr 11, 2005 9:13:54 am PDT #4647 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

When I was a kid, I liked the pipes that you could blow bubbles out of.

Also when I was a kid, I had an uncle who smoked a pipe. I haven't really been around anyone who's smoked tobacco in a pipe since, but I do remember I liked the smell.


msbelle - Apr 11, 2005 9:15:28 am PDT #4648 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I like the smell of gasoline, clearly I should start some sort of huffing habit. cool.


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:16:03 am PDT #4649 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

mmm....huffing....


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:17:58 am PDT #4650 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Gasoline, mmmm. Also hairspray.