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'The Killer In Me'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:10:06 am PDT #4644 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Like or dislike them, but their work needs to addressed in context.

Of course it does, just as Hemingway does and Jane Austen does. We are embedded in our time as a fly in amber.

But there's a difference between literary criticism and saying "this rubs me the wrong way". Lewis was very important to my youth and adolescence, and so was Tolkien. They shaped me. But their treatment of women also gives me hives. I don't see myself in their worlds; their worlds don't have room for me. (This isn't true of late Lewis, but it's certainly true of middle Lewis -- see That Hideous Strength.)


tommyrot - Apr 11, 2005 9:10:28 am PDT #4645 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Pipes have got to be less bad for you than cigarettes, don't they?

Aren't you smoking the same stuff? Pipes can have filters, but aren't they similar to cigarette filters? Or are they better?

I think water pipes are less bad....


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:11:03 am PDT #4646 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Aren't you smoking the same stuff? Pipes can have filters, but aren't they similar to cigarette filetes? Or are they better?

Well, yeah, OK. But so fun!! And the smell!


tommyrot - Apr 11, 2005 9:13:54 am PDT #4647 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

When I was a kid, I liked the pipes that you could blow bubbles out of.

Also when I was a kid, I had an uncle who smoked a pipe. I haven't really been around anyone who's smoked tobacco in a pipe since, but I do remember I liked the smell.


msbelle - Apr 11, 2005 9:15:28 am PDT #4648 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I like the smell of gasoline, clearly I should start some sort of huffing habit. cool.


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:16:03 am PDT #4649 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

mmm....huffing....


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:17:58 am PDT #4650 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Gasoline, mmmm. Also hairspray.


bon bon - Apr 11, 2005 9:18:17 am PDT #4651 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Don't let msbelle try to talk you out of smoking. Smoking is cool, that ain't no lie.


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:19:13 am PDT #4652 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

My real problem right now is that I think I hate truth.com more than I hate Big Tobacco.


JohnSweden - Apr 11, 2005 9:19:13 am PDT #4653 of 10001
I can't even.

But there's a difference between literary criticism and saying "this rubs me the wrong way". Lewis was very important to my youth and adolescence, and so was Tolkien. They shaped me. But their treatment of women also gives me hives. I don't see myself in their worlds; their worlds don't have room for me. (This isn't true of late Lewis, but it's certainly true of middle Lewis -- see That Hideous Strength.)

That's fair comment, but I think the point suggesting that they should have had more modern lifestyles or views isn't fair. I agree entirely that they are who they are based on when and how they lived, and their work reflects those lives. As writers they wrote to their experiences, events which shaped them, and which took place nearly a hundred years ago.