Don't let msbelle try to talk you out of smoking. Smoking is cool, that ain't no lie.
Zoe: I thought you wanted to spend more time off-ship this visit. Wash: Out there is seems like it's all fancy parties. I like our party better. The dress code is easier and I know all the steps.
'Shindig'
Natter 34: Freak With No Name
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
bon bon - Apr 11, 2005 9:18:17 am PDT #4651 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:19:13 am PDT #4652 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
My real problem right now is that I think I hate truth.com more than I hate Big Tobacco.
JohnSweden - Apr 11, 2005 9:19:13 am PDT #4653 of 10001
I can't even.
But there's a difference between literary criticism and saying "this rubs me the wrong way". Lewis was very important to my youth and adolescence, and so was Tolkien. They shaped me. But their treatment of women also gives me hives. I don't see myself in their worlds; their worlds don't have room for me. (This isn't true of late Lewis, but it's certainly true of middle Lewis -- see That Hideous Strength.)
That's fair comment, but I think the point suggesting that they should have had more modern lifestyles or views isn't fair. I agree entirely that they are who they are based on when and how they lived, and their work reflects those lives. As writers they wrote to their experiences, events which shaped them, and which took place nearly a hundred years ago.
Jessica - Apr 11, 2005 9:21:30 am PDT #4654 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
As writers they wrote to their experiences, events which shaped them, and which took place nearly a hundred years ago.
1950 is nearly 100 years ago?
Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:21:44 am PDT #4655 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
I think the point suggesting that they should have had more modern lifestyles or views isn't fair.
I don't think anyone here is saying that. I've only read acknowledgment of their lifestyles and views, not condemnation or whatever.
JohnSweden - Apr 11, 2005 9:23:06 am PDT #4656 of 10001
I can't even.
1950 is nearly 100 years ago?
The events which shaped Lewis and Tolkien (I was thinking in particular of Tolkien's experiences in WWI) did take place 91 years ago. I hope the nearly qualifier gets me into range.
ETA: Tolkien has been dead for 32 years and Lewis for 42 years. They've missed a lot of cultural change.
-t - Apr 11, 2005 9:23:39 am PDT #4657 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
You aren't supposed to inhale the smoke from a pipe, just, like, taste it. So, better for the lungs than cigarettes, but bad for the mouth.
My dad smoked a pipe after he quit cigarettes. I remember the day he finally gave his pipe away, I was probably 5 or 6.
Surely having a bit of pipe tobacco lying around like potpourri can't be too bad for you, eh?
Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:24:29 am PDT #4658 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
The events which shaped Lewis and Tolkien (I was thinking in particular of Tolkien's experiences in WWI) did take place 91 years ago.
Lewis and Tolkien lived through the suffragette movement, through the creation of women's colleges at Oxford, and through the enormous social changes of the 1920s and 1930s. They were at some pains to acknowledge none of the above.
msbelle - Apr 11, 2005 9:24:40 am PDT #4659 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
I like thetruth.
know what really smells AWESOME - Marks-a-Lots. mmmmmmm. Give me some paint fumes, Marks-a-Lots, and some gasoline and I'm a happy braincell killing girl.
Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:25:04 am PDT #4660 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
CS Lewis was almost exactly a contemporary of Edna St. Vincent Millay -- she was 5 years older or so.