Sometimes when I'm sitting in class... You know, I'm not thinking about class, 'cause that would never happen. I think about kissing you. And it's like everything stops. It's like, it's like freeze frame. Willow kissage.

Oz ,'First Date'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 11, 2005 8:34:58 am PDT #4621 of 10001
What is even happening?

This is my big issue with the Inklings -- they have all the worst characteristics of the English intellectual classes. There is no alternate universe conceivable in which women are allowed to drink beer and smoke pipes with them; in such a universe, they aren't the Inklings any more.
So basically, your biggest issue is the times and circumstances of the culture into which they were born?


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 8:44:43 am PDT #4622 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So basically, your biggest issue is the times and circumstances of the culture into which they were born?

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was published in 1950. It's not like it's from 1850.


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 8:46:42 am PDT #4623 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

So basically, your biggest issue is the times and circumstances of the culture into which they were born?

Yip.


JohnSweden - Apr 11, 2005 8:48:08 am PDT #4624 of 10001
I can't even.

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was published in 1950. It's not like it's from 1850.

Relevance?

Clive Staples Lewis, Jack to his friends, was born in Belfast on 29 November 1898. A solicitor's son, educated mostly in England, he won a classical scholarship to Oxford University in 1916.


Laura - Apr 11, 2005 8:49:33 am PDT #4625 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

I got a note from Jeff Mejia's sister Jodi. He is getting some super-duper kidney treatment they hope will get his kidney to function properly. They are in wait and see mode. He doesn't have internet access, but the hospital has a mail interface where he can get messages. [link]

My mother and step-father are expected shortly so showering is the plan now.


Kathy A - Apr 11, 2005 8:50:19 am PDT #4626 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The Inklings, and their co-horts, were the last vestiges of Victorian/Edwardian writers. They reveled in their non-modernity and rejected the new stuff (JRRT was notorious in his dislike of television, and even though he had a car while his kids were still living at home, he got rid of it during WWII or right after, and never bought another).


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 8:50:44 am PDT #4627 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Relevance?

Oh, I just mean that Betsy's beer-drinking, pipe-smoking women are around in 1950, so if the Inklings are not hanging out with female authors as peers, they're doing it on purpose.

Edit: There, see? Like Kathy said.

I don't actually have any position to take in this discussion.


Jessica - Apr 11, 2005 8:51:12 am PDT #4628 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

You know, if my mother had named me "Clive Staples," I might not have had the most enlightened attitudes towards women either.


Nutty - Apr 11, 2005 8:53:46 am PDT #4629 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Clive Owen doesn't seem to have a problem. I mean, we don't know that his middle name is Staples, but it could be, like, Hitler or Hassenpfeffer or Oogedy-Boogedy. Nonetheless, he neither smokes a pipenor rails against modernity.


Scrappy - Apr 11, 2005 8:55:00 am PDT #4630 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

His middle name is, obviously, "Robin's Lover".