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§ ita § - Jun 27, 2005 8:49:20 am PDT #4664 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Batman's got a long enough history that I'd guess one could make just about any statement about his psychology/motives/personality and have it supported somewhere in comics canon.

Exactly. Which is why, when evaluating accuracy, I start from his major appearances today and work my way back.


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 8:50:16 am PDT #4665 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

In Kingdom Come, Batman taunts the criminals who have been caught doing their bad things. (It's Lex Luthor, IIRC.)

But Kingdom Come is AU. I mean, if we're trying to come up with a psychological profile of the "real" Batman (inasmuch as he's fictional), we have to use canon to do so.

I bet, going over 60+ years of comics, we'd find quite a few examples to support my cause.

Yeah, but that's the problem with comics, and why I'd never go back more than 15 years on any particular argument. Even 10 is tight, but still. It's a diffuse characterisation, with lots of hands in the pie, and can't stand up to one interpretation.

Again, I agree. It might not be fair to say that 60+ years of canon is unuseable, but then again, the DC universe is the one where you have to qualify time periods as "pre-Crisis" or "post-Crisis."


Jessica - Jun 27, 2005 8:52:01 am PDT #4666 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

but then again, the DC universe is the one where you have to qualify time periods as "pre-Crisis" or "post-Crisis."

And aren't they about to have another Crisis, too? So in another year, it'll be "pre-Crises," "in-between Crises," and "post-Crises"


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 8:52:33 am PDT #4667 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

will take ita and Tep's word that it took its tone cues from current canon.

More or less; I kept expecting movie!Batman to be a big freaky jackhole, but then I had to keep reminding myself that this is Batman *Begins.* All the things that happened in comics canon that have further fucked him up haven't yet happened in the movieverse.


DavidS - Jun 27, 2005 8:52:54 am PDT #4668 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

And aren't they about to have another Crisis, too? So in another year, it'll be "pre-Crises," "in-between Crises," and "post-Crises"

There's always some crisis. DCU = drama queen.


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 8:54:11 am PDT #4669 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

but then again, the DC universe is the one where you have to qualify time periods as "pre-Crisis" or "post-Crisis."

And aren't they about to have another Crisis, too? So in another year, it'll be "pre-Crises," "in-between Crises," and "post-Crises"

I know -- "Well, but that's pre-Crisis Batman....no, no -- I mean pre-FIRST Crisis Batman; pre-RECENT Crisis Batman is just a spooky freak."


Jessica - Jun 27, 2005 8:54:58 am PDT #4670 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Crisis crisis crisis. The word has no meaning anymore.


Jessica - Jun 27, 2005 8:55:28 am PDT #4671 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

(Also, I keep misreading Batman as Bateman. I blame Christian Bale.)


Steph L. - Jun 27, 2005 8:56:06 am PDT #4672 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Crisis crisis crisis. The word has no meaning anymore.

Coming in November 2005 -- DC presents: Infinite Tartlet!!!!

Appetizers will never be the same in the DC universe again.


Jessica - Jun 27, 2005 8:57:27 am PDT #4673 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Infinite Tartlet!!!!

Please (a) let this be true and (b) let it lead to Batman telling someone to stop calling him pastries.