I don't know if the nickname predates Batman, but yeah, if you mention Gotham and you're not talking comics, you're talking about NYC. I get my glasses from Gotham Eyewear. I used to work around the corner from the Gotham Comedy Club. I read Gothamist for my local gossipy news tidbits. Superpages.com has 150 listings for businesses named Gotham Such-and-such in Manhattan alone. It just...is.
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Jessica - Jun 07, 2005 1:57:38 pm PDT #3864 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
§ ita § - Jun 07, 2005 1:58:04 pm PDT #3865 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Hasn't "Gotham" been used as a nickname for NYC since long before Batman?
Yes. But it was used as a fake name before NYC was a twinkle in the Pilgrim's eyes.
Making Gotham really resemble some other real place seems confusing.
Too late. DC already been there and done that.
Jessica - Jun 07, 2005 2:00:27 pm PDT #3866 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
DC already been there and done that.
What real-world city does it currently resemble in the comics?
§ ita § - Jun 07, 2005 2:02:23 pm PDT #3867 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
What real-world city does it currently resemble in the comics?
None, as far as I can tell. And if it did, under one writer/artist, it'd change with the next team. It's just Gotham. A place that doesn't actually exist for us.
Jessica - Jun 07, 2005 2:03:19 pm PDT #3868 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
It's just Gotham. A place that doesn't actually exist for us.
That's very different than explicitly making it Chicago.
§ ita § - Jun 07, 2005 2:06:58 pm PDT #3869 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
That's very different than explicitly making it Chicago.
I never argued the point that explicitly making it Chicago was good. Or bad.
I only argued the point that people shouldn't be caught up in the non-NYCness, because it's not NYC. In fact, if you scroll back, you'll see I do mention that it's possible to be distractingly like another city.
Jessica - Jun 07, 2005 2:14:33 pm PDT #3870 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
In fact, if you scroll back, you'll see I do mention that it's possible to be distractingly like another city.
Okay, but you were responding to:
Making Gotham really resemble some other real place seems confusing.
So I took your "done that" as meaning that DC had already made Gotham resemble some other real place.
I only argued the point that people shouldn't be caught up in the non-NYCness, because it's not NYC.
I said very early on that it wasn't so much the non-NYC-ness as it was the Chicago-ness. Totally imaginary Gotham = fine. Real-city-that-isn't-NYC-Gotham = confusing and wrong.
§ ita § - Jun 07, 2005 2:18:02 pm PDT #3871 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not clear why I quoted "Making Gotham really resemble some other real place seems confusing" -- I'm going to blame it on sloppy catchup after my meeting.
I said very early on that it wasn't so much the non-NYC-ness as it was the Chicago-ness
Which is why I wasn't arguing with you.
Jessica - Jun 07, 2005 2:19:21 pm PDT #3872 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Which is why I wasn't arguing with you.
Well FINE! t flounces
DavidS - Jun 07, 2005 2:43:57 pm PDT #3873 of 10002
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