It's just Gotham. A place that doesn't actually exist for us.
That's very different than explicitly making it Chicago.
So, how was your summer? Mine was fun. Saw some fish. Went mad with hunger. Hallucinated a whole bunch.
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Jessica - Jun 07, 2005 2:03:19 pm PDT #3868 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
§ ita § - Jun 07, 2005 2:06:58 pm PDT #3869 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
That's very different than explicitly making it Chicago.
I never argued the point that explicitly making it Chicago was good. Or bad.
I only argued the point that people shouldn't be caught up in the non-NYCness, because it's not NYC. In fact, if you scroll back, you'll see I do mention that it's possible to be distractingly like another city.
Jessica - Jun 07, 2005 2:14:33 pm PDT #3870 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
In fact, if you scroll back, you'll see I do mention that it's possible to be distractingly like another city.
Okay, but you were responding to:
Making Gotham really resemble some other real place seems confusing.
So I took your "done that" as meaning that DC had already made Gotham resemble some other real place.
I only argued the point that people shouldn't be caught up in the non-NYCness, because it's not NYC.
I said very early on that it wasn't so much the non-NYC-ness as it was the Chicago-ness. Totally imaginary Gotham = fine. Real-city-that-isn't-NYC-Gotham = confusing and wrong.
§ ita § - Jun 07, 2005 2:18:02 pm PDT #3871 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm not clear why I quoted "Making Gotham really resemble some other real place seems confusing" -- I'm going to blame it on sloppy catchup after my meeting.
I said very early on that it wasn't so much the non-NYC-ness as it was the Chicago-ness
Which is why I wasn't arguing with you.
Jessica - Jun 07, 2005 2:19:21 pm PDT #3872 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Which is why I wasn't arguing with you.
Well FINE! t flounces
DavidS - Jun 07, 2005 2:43:57 pm PDT #3873 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
R.I.P. Anne Bancroft.
Poor Mel. 'sfunny, Emmett just watched The Miracle Worker the other day.
JohnSweden - Jun 07, 2005 2:48:56 pm PDT #3874 of 10002
I can't even.
If I can see the CN tower in the background while the characters are talking about being in NYC, it completely throws me out of the film, regardless of whether or not the location matters to the plot.
This happens to me a lot, because of the Toronto as cheap film/tv stand-in for every big city thing. I'm doomed for the show then, because I lean in close and start picking out street corners and shop windows. I don't mind as much when the show is supposed to be in Toronto, but when it is being passed off as someplace else again, I'm all Heyyyyy!
DavidS - Jun 07, 2005 2:52:51 pm PDT #3875 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
This happens to me a lot, because of the Toronto as cheap film/tv stand-in for every big city thing. I'm doomed for the show then, because I lean in close and start picking out street corners and shop windows. I don't mind as much when the show is supposed to be in Toronto, but when it is being passed off as someplace else again, I'm all Heyyyyy!
This is less of an issue with San Francisco since it looks so damned San Franciscy, and it's not cheap it doesn't try to pass for elsewhere.
§ ita § - Jun 07, 2005 2:54:28 pm PDT #3876 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It's usually pretty easy to tell when it's in Toronto (or Vancouver) because of their accents. I find Montreal a bit more confusing, since it's a mix of T'ronna and west coast accents, in addition to local.
Atropa - Jun 07, 2005 3:16:43 pm PDT #3877 of 10002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
Even movies that are supposed to be set in the cities they were filmed in get a little wonky. Say Anything, I'm looking at you.