Pretty cool except for the part where I was really terrified and now my knees are all dizzy.

Willow ,'Never Leave Me'


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Gris - Apr 09, 2005 2:18:14 pm PDT #1721 of 10002
Hey. New board.

Alexis Bleidel is freaking adorable, but she has no range. Especially the scenes where she's talking to her mom on the phonehad me laughing hysterically at adorable little hooker Rory. I just couldn't see her as anything else.

Heh. I felt exactly the same way, especially the first time I saw it. Polter-Cow and I actually had a discussion about it over at my LJ, sort of. My words were

Sadly, Alexis Bledel's Becky left me a bit more cold, mostly because, well, she plays Rory if Rory were a gun-toting whore with a terrible southern accent, to the point of calling her mother twice over the course of the movie.

On second-viewing re-evaluation, I decided she was better that I originally thought, with a lot of the Roriness probably being directed (that character IS Rory, in a lot of ways, and they probably knew that when they cast Alexis, after all. Easier to direct her to "be like Rory here" than to start from scratch to build a very similar character) Still, I mostly agree that she's not so much for the range. Hopefully her Lena in The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants won't be Rory, because those characters are pretty different.


Scrappy - Apr 09, 2005 2:50:10 pm PDT #1722 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I liked Sin City, and, surprisingly, my 76-year-old never-heard-her-swear mom liked it too. She found the Noir/crime homage lots of fun, and said the adolescent viewpoint reminded her of comics she and my uncle read voraciously as kids, so it worked for her. My feeling was basically, Clive Owen, rowr.


DavidS - Apr 09, 2005 2:55:51 pm PDT #1723 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

and said the adolescent viewpoint reminded her of comics she and my uncle read voraciously as kids, so it worked for her.

Heh! She must've been reading those hardcore EC comics in the 50s.

My feeling was basically, Clive Owen, rowr.

::sets watch to Scrappy's Clive-oost::

The comics themselves are a fascinating stylistic mix of Alex Toth's fantastic high contrast black and white work, coupled with the blocky dynamic, brutal power of Jack Kirby.

I need to answer some of Nutty's noir commentary, but need to go re-read it first. However, I strongly concur with Vonnie's assessment that it had more in common with Sam Fuller's brutalism. In fact, many Noir films specifically critique violent male revenge. In White Heat Glen Ford goes after the mob after they murder his wife and kid. In doing so, he winds up also destroying every woman who helps him in the movie. In Touch of Evil, Charlton Heston's righteous violent anger, winds up leaving his wife alone and vulnerable and subsequently kidnapped, raped and drugged up. In Noir you can't solve your problems by being a hardass. It just makes other problems more profound.


Tom Scola - Apr 09, 2005 3:00:36 pm PDT #1724 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The comics themselves are a fascinating stylistic mix of Alex Toth's fantastic high contrast black and white work, coupled with the blocky dynamic, brutal power of Jack Kirby.

You need to give Chester Gould more credit. Actually, Gould was a major stylistic influence on Noir in general.


DavidS - Apr 09, 2005 3:03:06 pm PDT #1725 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

You need to give Chester Gould more credit. Actually, Gould was a major stylistic influence on Noir in general.

I love Chester Gould, and yeah, it's in the grotesquery. But Toth is the absolute master of the b/w composition that Miller does. And those beat up male faces? Orion taking off his helmet in New Gods, and all those other raw, howling beasties Kirby drew.


Scrappy - Apr 09, 2005 3:03:12 pm PDT #1726 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Sin City thanked my BF's uncle, Joe Kubert, in the end credits. He has an email in to the uncle to find out why. Joe is a comics artist from way back, so we think that's the reason. Still, very unexpected and cool.


Jessica - Apr 09, 2005 3:10:36 pm PDT #1727 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

My feeling was basically, Clive Owen, rowr.

Oh, absolutely. My sister turned to me after it was over and said, "I want Clive Owen to kill lots of people for me."

Mainly, I just wish all the actors had been given more direction. The Quentin Tarantino "guest directed" scene was instantly recognizable because the acting suddenly came to life, and the visuals were really used instead of the only goal being to make it look like the comics.


Sue - Apr 09, 2005 3:13:18 pm PDT #1728 of 10002
hip deep in pie

Mainly, I just wish all the actors had been given more direction.

Yeah, I got the sense that the actors were a little neglected in the process. Some of them got it stylistically, but others seemed to be acting in different movies.


DavidS - Apr 09, 2005 3:18:05 pm PDT #1729 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Kirby Gangsters

Alex Toth - the master of black ink


DavidS - Apr 09, 2005 3:24:22 pm PDT #1730 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Sin City thanked my BF's uncle, Joe Kubert, in the end credits. He has an email in to the uncle to find out why. Joe is a comics artist from way back, so we think that's the reason. Still, very unexpected and cool.

Joe Kubert is probably my alltime favorite comic, artist, Robin. Just a magnificent style, beautifully rendered and incredibly alive and dynamic. His Tarzan is definitive for me. Also a huge fan of his Enemy Ace stories.