In reading the comments for Birthday I was boggled by the number of people who declared it the best episode to date. Really?
Wash: I'm not leaving her side, Mal. Don't ask me again. Mal: I wasn't asking. I was telling.
'Out Of Gas'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Sheryl - Jul 25, 2012 12:42:18 pm PDT #9506 of 10458
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"
Connie Neil - Jul 25, 2012 1:14:56 pm PDT #9507 of 10458
brillig
It's begun to boggle me how much we fans see as brilliant character development is really something that was cobbled together on the fly.
Cass - Jul 25, 2012 1:15:45 pm PDT #9508 of 10458
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
Really?
It had Skip? I liked Skip. Well early Skip. The Skip who was guarding Billy in the flamey cage.
Polter-Cow - Jul 25, 2012 1:19:43 pm PDT #9509 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I've begun to really appreciate the ability to make it look like things were planned even if they were not. I mean, I love a good plan, but I do admire writers who can take a look at what they've written and effectively pull elements out of the past in order to inform the present without having thought of it in advance. I'm in the final issues of Sandman, and I don't think Gaiman had the entire series planned out from the get-go, but he's doing an impressive job making it look like he did. Sometimes what looks like foreshadowing to the reader was just fortuitous and well appropriated.
Here's a new weird fandom impression in the comments: apparently Fred/Wesley shippers are hard to find? Really? Is Fred/Gunn that much more popular?
Vonnie K - Jul 25, 2012 1:51:30 pm PDT #9510 of 10458
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
I don't think Fred was shipped much with anyone in fannish circles. I totally shipped her with Wesley as soon as she turned into a scary ancient God though.
Polter-Cow - Jul 25, 2012 1:57:11 pm PDT #9511 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I shipped Fred with ME.
DavidS - Jul 25, 2012 2:30:06 pm PDT #9512 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
So the rumors that Joss was pissed at Charisma for not telling him she was pregnant and made her evil and killed her or whatever the story is are...a distortion of the truth?
She was almost written out of the show because her drug abuse (Cocaine, I think) was out of control. That's why she ascended.
Strega - Jul 25, 2012 2:36:09 pm PDT #9513 of 10458
I think I remember reading something a while ago about how she had to go to rehab, which is why season four was largely improvised.
That was (allegedly) earlier. Season 4 is when she was pregnant.
And I should note that, if it was true, the issue wasn't like, heroin or something. But I ran across some rumors before her brief absence in S3, which made me go, "Huh, maybe that wasn't just trolling." [shrug]
Polter-Cow - Jul 25, 2012 2:46:55 pm PDT #9514 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Hm! And, now that I Google a bit, the pregnancy thing is supposedly why she was fired after season four. I am confusing all my rumors and hearsay.
Strega - Jul 25, 2012 3:47:13 pm PDT #9515 of 10458
Well so are we, or maybe just me? That's what rumors are for. What I'd heard was more like a pill problem, but I dunno.
I do agree that the ascension was a trapdoor in case she needed to stay gone. And then they planned to bring her back... and then she got pregnant. Cue the sad trombone.