There are times where the -isms are wedged deep in the text. I don't like it if the *work* is offensive, but not every show/book has to march in every Pride parade. It'd be great if it could change the world, but you can't ask everything of everything and actually get a lot of quality as a result.
Mal: That's not what I saw. You like to tell me what really happened? Book: I surely would. And maybe someday I will.
'Safe'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
§ ita § - Jan 19, 2012 11:40:35 am PST #8423 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Steph L. - Jan 19, 2012 11:44:48 am PST #8424 of 10459
I look more rad than Lutheranism
It'd be great if it could change the world, but you can't ask everything of everything and actually get a lot of quality as a result.
That's one of my criticisms of the Hunger Games trilogy (most specifically Mockingjay). I felt like the War IS BAD message was hammered way too hard. We get it.
I don't think she wrote the trilogy -- or specifically Mockingjay -- in service to that message, but it was still hammered way too hard for my taste. It felt like she was trying way too hard to tell the readers that War IS BAD. Which we kinda already knew.
(I know, wrong thread, but related topic.)
sj - Jan 19, 2012 11:55:58 am PST #8425 of 10459
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
re: Mark Watches--does it make me a bad human being to get tired of people being horrified and heartbroken that the show doesn't address all the social ills they personally abhor and it's just the most awful thing ever?
No.
Which is basically how I feel about BTVS not being a pro-Romani bandwagon. Don't give a crap. It's fiction. Shoehorning in A Message makes for really, really crappy fiction.
And I don't think the Romani come off particularly bad in the Buffyverse. At least no worse or better than anyone else.
Connie Neil - Jan 19, 2012 12:19:48 pm PST #8426 of 10459
brillig
At least no worse or better than anyone else.
It's all "You mentioned the Romani! You must now make an explicit effort to undo generations of bigotry or you're part of the problem!"
Is it just because they're young? I feel very old and cynical when I read the comments.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 19, 2012 12:22:43 pm PST #8427 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Eh, having people devote their lives to a vendetta based on someone who was killed before they were born doesn't strike me as the most positive of depictions. But then Jenny Calendar called out how insane the lengths they were going to actually were, so there was an onscreen counterpoint.
Liese S. - Jan 19, 2012 12:22:59 pm PST #8428 of 10459
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Definitely better than Native Americans!
billytea - Jan 19, 2012 12:26:57 pm PST #8429 of 10459
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Definitely better than Native Americans!
I wonder how they'll react when Xander's penis gets diseases from a Chumash tribe.
DebetEsse - Jan 19, 2012 12:44:00 pm PST #8430 of 10459
Woe to the fucking wicked.
At least the show explicitly "teaches the controversy" on the Chumash...yeah, that's probably not enough...
Connie Neil - Jan 19, 2012 1:34:36 pm PST #8431 of 10459
brillig
I wonder how they'll react to Willow's denunciation of Thanksgiving.
Polter-Cow - Jan 19, 2012 1:49:17 pm PST #8432 of 10459
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Is it just because they're young?
Possibly, but you can't say that because it's ageist.
It's all "You mentioned the Romani! You must now make an explicit effort to undo generations of bigotry or you're part of the problem!"
There was a very interesting comment from an actual Romani who was basically like, "It didn't bother me because they always get it wrong, and we don't tell anyone our secret ways, so whatevs."