It'd be great if it could change the world, but you can't ask everything of everything and actually get a lot of quality as a result.

That's one of my criticisms of the Hunger Games trilogy (most specifically Mockingjay). I felt like the War IS BAD message was hammered way too hard. We get it.

I don't think she wrote the trilogy -- or specifically Mockingjay -- in service to that message, but it was still hammered way too hard for my taste. It felt like she was trying way too hard to tell the readers that War IS BAD. Which we kinda already knew.

(I know, wrong thread, but related topic.)

re: Mark Watches--does it make me a bad human being to get tired of people being horrified and heartbroken that the show doesn't address all the social ills they personally abhor and it's just the most awful thing ever?

No.

Which is basically how I feel about BTVS not being a pro-Romani bandwagon. Don't give a crap. It's fiction. Shoehorning in A Message makes for really, really crappy fiction.

And I don't think the Romani come off particularly bad in the Buffyverse. At least no worse or better than anyone else.

At least no worse or better than anyone else.

It's all "You mentioned the Romani! You must now make an explicit effort to undo generations of bigotry or you're part of the problem!"

Is it just because they're young? I feel very old and cynical when I read the comments.

Eh, having people devote their lives to a vendetta based on someone who was killed before they were born doesn't strike me as the most positive of depictions. But then Jenny Calendar called out how insane the lengths they were going to actually were, so there was an onscreen counterpoint.

Definitely better than Native Americans!

Definitely better than Native Americans!

I wonder how they'll react when Xander's penis gets diseases from a Chumash tribe.

At least the show explicitly "teaches the controversy" on the Chumash...yeah, that's probably not enough...

I wonder how they'll react to Willow's denunciation of Thanksgiving.

Is it just because they're young?

Possibly, but you can't say that because it's ageist.

It's all "You mentioned the Romani! You must now make an explicit effort to undo generations of bigotry or you're part of the problem!"

There was a very interesting comment from an actual Romani who was basically like, "It didn't bother me because they always get it wrong, and we don't tell anyone our secret ways, so whatevs."

Possibly, but you can't say that because it's ageist.

Get offa my lawn.

edit: Harumph. t cane shake