Death is your art. You make it with your hands day after day. That final gasp, that look of peace. And part of you is desperate to know: What's it like? Where does it lead you? And now you see, that's the secret. Not the punch you didn't throw or the kicks you didn't land. She really wanted it. Every Slayer has a death wish. Even you.

Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 30, 2011 5:19:36 pm PST #8011 of 10725
You have to remember that being a 5-time Olympic medalist means Hilary Knight has been playing hockey at an elite level at least 16 years. It's impossible for her to be a teenage girl less than 16 years old, thus the President's complete lack of interest.

They're allowed to talk about mental illness, they just can't use the word "crazy" - which is ableist, I guess.

Can I just say this sticks in my craw, and I've actually flown over the cuckoo's nest in the last 3 months.


§ ita § - Dec 30, 2011 5:20:42 pm PST #8012 of 10725
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I would think so.

Okay, but I don't think that's what happened in the story.


sj - Dec 30, 2011 5:32:18 pm PST #8013 of 10725
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I rather think "batshit crazy" is accurate.

When it comes to Drusilla it really is the best term.


DCJensen - Dec 30, 2011 6:15:03 pm PST #8014 of 10725
All is well that ends in pizza.

I actually look forward to the subject. I would like to think that Mark will sit back and say, "Okay, crazy it is." IRT Dru.


Steph L. - Dec 30, 2011 6:19:27 pm PST #8015 of 10725
That which does not kill you should RUN

Is he okay with "insane" as a clinical term? I can't think of a way to describe Dru's clear break from reality without using "insane" or "crazy" or "psychotic" or something. I mean, I have no doubt she'd be diagnosed with at least one mental illness, if she didn't eat the shrink first.


DavidS - Dec 30, 2011 6:24:25 pm PST #8016 of 10725
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I mean, I have no doubt she'd be diagnosed with at least one mental illness, if she didn't eat the shrink first.

What does it mean when you're a vampire who can hear voices but you can also prophesize? I mean, on a sanity scale.


Steph L. - Dec 30, 2011 6:27:22 pm PST #8017 of 10725
That which does not kill you should RUN

What does it mean when you're a vampire who can hear voices but you can also prophesize? I mean, on a sanity scale.

Well, before Angelus made her crazy (I remember him describing it to Buffy in some S2 episode, but I disremember which), she had visions, and they seemed to come true (or, if you will, be accurate visions). So that's not really mental illness, though I suppose at that time it would have been seen as such.

But Angelus really drove her around the bend. I don't know what it's called when someone has such a break with reality. That's not dissociative personality disorder, is it?


Zenkitty - Dec 30, 2011 6:29:29 pm PST #8018 of 10725
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Psychotic break. Saw my ex have one. Terrifying.

Dru also has Stockholm Syndrome, let's not forget!


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 30, 2011 6:31:43 pm PST #8019 of 10725
You have to remember that being a 5-time Olympic medalist means Hilary Knight has been playing hockey at an elite level at least 16 years. It's impossible for her to be a teenage girl less than 16 years old, thus the President's complete lack of interest.

And a healthy dose of sadomasochism, too.


le nubian - Dec 30, 2011 6:33:58 pm PST #8020 of 10725
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

But didn't Dru have serious mental health problems when she was human? She had visions, but she didn't seem to be a-ok besides that or am I remembering wrong?

I think that when you are talking about a non-human, I don't think "ableist" language is even at issue.