What signs are those? I skimmed S5, and can't quite find any.
Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.
Giles ,'Conversations with Dead People'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
§ ita § - May 12, 2005 7:22:45 am PDT #707 of 10467
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Stephanie - May 12, 2005 7:29:08 am PDT #708 of 10467
Trust my rage
I always assumed that bedroom skills were the only reason Spike was with her.
Betsy HP - May 12, 2005 7:30:14 am PDT #709 of 10467
If I only had a brain...
But Spike is enough of a horndog that "willing" is probably sufficient; I don't see him holding out for "expert".
Lyra Jane - May 12, 2005 7:33:16 am PDT #710 of 10467
Up with the sun
I don't see Spike as being the world's greatest judge of bedroom skills, either. As far as we know, his experience at that point was pretty much Drusilla -- who doesn't strike me as an especially focused lover -- possibly being used as a toy by Darla and Angelus, and anyone he might have raped. Not exactly experiences likely to teach one the Kama Sutra.
Fred Pete - May 12, 2005 7:36:32 am PDT #711 of 10467
Ann, that's a ferret.
Not exactly experiences likely to teach one the Kama Sutra.
I'll add that William, being a middle-class Victorian male, probably had experiences with prostitutes. Which really doesn't change the above conclusion.
Lyra Jane - May 12, 2005 7:39:05 am PDT #712 of 10467
Up with the sun
I'll add that William, being a middle-class Victorian male, probably had experiences with prostitutes.
You think? I suppose statistically you're right, but I just see him as too much of a mama's boy for that.
Connie Neil - May 12, 2005 7:42:18 am PDT #713 of 10467
brillig
Hey, Spike's sex skills! always fun to discuss.
Fred Pete - May 12, 2005 7:43:12 am PDT #714 of 10467
Ann, that's a ferret.
You think?
Probably but not certainly. Being a mama's boy with Victorian attitudes, he certainly wouldn't have told her if he did.
§ ita § - May 12, 2005 7:48:25 am PDT #715 of 10467
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Being a mama's boy with Victorian attitudes, he certainly wouldn't have told her if he did.
He seemed so flummoxed by women -- not just by the politics of women of his own class, but by their very material existence.
Trudy Booth - May 12, 2005 7:51:34 am PDT #716 of 10467
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
I doubt William had been with prostitutes considering his reaction when he thought Drusilla was one.