Right. Piano. Because that's what we used to kill that big demon that one time. No, wait. That was a rocket launcher.

Xander ,'Touched'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Lee - Oct 19, 2005 8:28:21 am PDT #2182 of 10459
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

This question is too hard.

Hee. I thought maybe making it "favorite" instead of biggest or most important would help. Guess not.


SailAweigh - Oct 19, 2005 8:29:16 am PDT #2183 of 10459
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I came into Buffy late and internet fandom even later. But, once I did I become one of the most thouroughly spoiled on the current seasons (6 and 7, for me.) Fortunately, I didn't find the internet sites until after I'd watched numerous reruns on FX. In fact, my first ever viewing day provided a heck of an HSQ moment for me. I was watching a Thanksgiving Day marathon and since they skipped a lot of episodes, my biggest HSQ was watching Buffy vs. Dracula and at the very end Dawn shows up. Since I didn't have the benefit of the entire earlier seasons (only the select episodes shown up to that point) to know of all the foreshadowing and was totally unspoiled, both my daughter and I turned to each other and said, "WTF? Buffy doesn't have a sister?!?"

By the time I started watching Angel (season 4), I had read so much of the earlier stuff and was so spoiled there was really very little that made me sit up and take notice. So, the only HSQ moment I can honestly remember was in season 5 and that was during the opening to Power Play where Angel bites Drogan. I never expected that, I didn't think Angel had changed so much he would do the expediant thing rather than the right thing. I was sad, angry and so disappointed at that moment, I almost didn't want to watch that or the final episode. I felt like we were getting regurgitated season 2 and it stung. I realized some of that was because they had to wrap the season up so quickly, but still. It was HSQ on a couple of levels for me, actual doing and narrative-wise.


Gris - Oct 19, 2005 8:41:15 am PDT #2184 of 10459
Hey. New board.

Yeah, 'WTF SISTER?!?!" is my favorite HSQ moment in Buffy, too. It's just so... weird. Sadly, "Two to Go" was my first Buffy episode ever, and I had no clue what was going on at all, so "GILES!" did nothing for me.

In Angel, nothing ever went as far as Doyle's early death for me, though a really large portion of Season 2 came very close.


Amy - Oct 19, 2005 8:49:17 am PDT #2185 of 10459
Because books.

Yeah, 'WTF SISTER?!?!" is my favorite HSQ moment in Buffy, too. It's just so... weird.

Ack. I totally forgot that one. Maybe because I'm not a huge Dawn fan. But I was unspoiled for that, and I was like, "OMGWTF?!"


P.M. Marc - Oct 19, 2005 9:35:19 am PDT #2186 of 10459
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I will say again that Wesley's introduction on Angel made me about fall off my couch, which just goes to show I should sit further back.

However, it wasn't the same sort of !!!... !!! moment as the pillow.

HSQ, in general, was less effective for me on BtVS. I think most of the things that would have seriously made me yelp happened in S2, when I was a much more casual viewer and not invested enough to care.


Vortex - Oct 19, 2005 9:36:46 am PDT #2187 of 10459
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I want to say it's Giles's "I'd like to test that theory," but I knew he was coming back. I squeed, but I wasn't surprised.

see, THIS is why I avoid spoilers like the plague. there's nothing like the HSQ for something like that. I was watching with maybe 10 people, and we all SHRIEKED "GILES!" there were high fives and whatnot!! it wouldn't have been the same if I'd known. Plus, when I'm spoiled for something (by accident or because I don't care), I just wait for the spoliery bit to happen, then enjoy the show.


Amy - Oct 19, 2005 9:42:06 am PDT #2188 of 10459
Because books.

I wasn't even spoiled for Giles's return, I just *knew* that he'd be coming back for the final episode. So while I still get a little racy thrill from hearing that line and seeing him in the doorway, there wasn't as much holy-shit! as there was there's-my-man!, you know?


ChiKat - Oct 19, 2005 9:42:36 am PDT #2189 of 10459
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Angel: pillow; lawyerfest; Justine in the closet

Buffy: naked Angel; Giles killing Ben/Glory; dead Joyce


Maria - Oct 19, 2005 9:52:04 am PDT #2190 of 10459
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Now that we've got the favorites, what was your LEAST favorite moment (HSQ or not) on Buffy and Angel?

Buffy - The cookie dough speech, bar none. That whole scene felt completely out of character for Angel, and I expected that Buffy would have been able to articulate her feelings a bit better at that point.

Angel - The flashbacks in TGiQ. Way to emasculate the Scourge of Europe.


§ ita § - Oct 19, 2005 9:58:50 am PDT #2191 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I hated: going to Pylea after the most excellent S2. The idea that Angel and Cordelia were TWU WUV. The champion idea.

The stuff I hated about Buffy was more slow burn and building irritation. The Angel botheration was WHY HAVE YOU FUCKED ME SO??? WHERE IS MY LUBE???