Nick Brendon seems to have done away with the last bits of his boyishness. He looks like a man.
When I stood next to him in Hollywood last year, his hair was close-cropped, but almost looked like he was starting to salt-and-pepper.
Damn you, Bridget! Damn you to Hades! You broke my heart in a million pieces! You made me love you, and then you-- I SHAVED MY BEARD FOR YOU, DEVIL WOMAN!
Monty ,'Trash'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Sean K - Aug 18, 2005 7:04:23 am PDT #1916 of 10458
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Vortex - Aug 18, 2005 7:29:42 am PDT #1917 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
Season 6 finale on this morning --
I knew what was going to happen, and I still did the happy dance and yelled "Giles!" at "allow me to test that theory" (and was late for work)
Sean K - Aug 18, 2005 7:31:54 am PDT #1918 of 10458
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
BEST. ENTRANCE. EVAR.
Cass - Aug 18, 2005 7:40:24 am PDT #1919 of 10458
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.
I knew what was going to happen, and I still did the happy dance and yelled "Giles!" at "allow me to test that theory" (and was late for work)Vortex, someone should write a note to our bosses cause I did the same thing. Someone besides me obviously, as I suspect handing my boss a piece of paper that only said, "Giles!!!!?!" would look suspicious.
Scrappy - Aug 18, 2005 7:54:46 am PDT #1920 of 10458
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
I still don't understand how the Spike-no-Soul who attempts rape is worsethan Angel-no-soul who tries to freaking KILL Buffy and her family and friends and does kill Jenny Calender and tortures Giiles. Rape is worse than murder and torture? The only difference was that Spike tried to be "good" when he was unsouled, and ultimately failed miserably. It always seems like everyone gove the Buffy/Angel relationship a pass when this comes up. Didn't she forgive him much more quickly after Angelus' murderous rampage and was desperate to sleep with him again except for the whole turning evil thing?
§ ita § - Aug 18, 2005 8:00:59 am PDT #1921 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Well, I've already said that if Spike had attempted murder, it wouldn't have bothered me as much. Torture too. It's the nature of the crime, and its relationship to the meta of the show. I know Spike is capable of great evil, lack of soul, that's been mitigated by chip and his sort of love, but is in no way checked permanently. I thought it was out of character for him to do that, and I think the writers planned poorly.
It always seems like everyone gove the Buffy/Angel relationship a pass
Buffy never trusted unsouled Angel -- it was made narratively clear (to everyone other than Xander) that the man she'd loved and slept with was good, and they needed to get him back. Spike was more of a betrayal in that it threw in their faces that this was THE SAME GUY ALL ALONG that did this. I think it's much harder to compartmentalise, and much harder to get past.
Topic!Cindy - Aug 18, 2005 8:05:54 am PDT #1922 of 10458
What is even happening?
Dear Bosses of Vortex and Cass,
Vortex and Cass were late, because Giles finally came back. Who is Giles, you ask? Well, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you...Wait. There have been too many workplace massacres for me to expect you to know I was just taking the piss about the killing part. Okay, let me start again. To splain yada yada sum...
We're talking G I L E S. That's Giles , Rupert, aka Ripper, as played by ASH, who has played other roles, as well.
Surely, both Vortex and Cass have, in making their decisions; prioritizing their tasks; and pursuing their goals, shown the sort of incisive, and innately wise decision making, you expect them to display and put to good use, in your respective places of employ. Obviously, they will be recording this time on their time sheets as "Professional Development". Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely,
The Buffistas
Vortex - Aug 18, 2005 8:08:23 am PDT #1923 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I still don't understand how the Spike-no-Soul who attempts rape is worsethan Angel-no-soul who tries to freaking KILL Buffy and her family and friends and does kill Jenny Calender and tortures Giiles.
because it's not Angel, it's Angelus.
Spike was more of a betrayal in that it threw in their faces that this was THE SAME GUY ALL ALONG that did this. I think it's much harder to compartmentalise, and much harder to get past.
yes, this.
Frankenbuddha - Aug 18, 2005 8:11:08 am PDT #1924 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Buffy never trusted unsouled Angel -- it was made narratively clear (to everyone other than Xander) that the man she'd loved and slept with was good, and they needed to get him back. Spike was more of a betrayal in that it threw in their faces that this was THE SAME GUY ALL ALONG that did this. I think it's much harder to compartmentalise, and much harder to get past.
But if that holds true then the Spike that came back season 7 wasn't the same guy as the one who left. Given that it took Buffy only about a 1/4 of an episode to let Faith back into the fold later that same season, I don't really feel her actions wrt to Spike are all the hard to deal with. I think Buffy would consider what Faith did to her season 3 to be much worse than what Spike did in SR.
§ ita § - Aug 18, 2005 8:16:06 am PDT #1925 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
the Spike that came back season 7 wasn't the same guy as the one who left
He wasn't the same guy as the one she'd slept with originally either -- that's why it's messier.
I think Buffy would consider what Faith did to her season 3 to be much worse than what Spike did in SR.
I was never convinced of that.