Joyce: Dawn, you be good. Xander: We will. Just gonna play with some matches, run with scissors, take candy from some guy, I don't know his name.

'Beneath You'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 12, 2005 5:09:03 am PDT #1815 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Also - Cindy, I'm about a 1/3 of the way through Buffy 5/Angel 2 (watching them in tandem).

Let me know when you get up to that and maybe we can synch up viewing and discussion (I'm going to be slowing down on these because the friend I was going through the shows with is moving to Baltimore, so no more dedicated Buffy/Angel -which I first spelled Angle, heh - nights).


Topic!Cindy - Aug 12, 2005 5:26:42 am PDT #1816 of 10458
What is even happening?

of course *you* would say that, Frank.

Shhh, Nora. Don't make "us" get new seekrit identities.

Let me know when you get up to that and maybe we can synch up viewing and discussion
I will, but you know, there's no reason to wait. Plus, on nights that Scott is working late, or working at home, I sometimes choose episodes at random.
(I'm going to be slowing down on these because the friend I was going through the shows with is moving to Baltimore, so no more dedicated Buffy/Angel -which I first spelled Angle, heh - nights).

Heh. I was posting a comment in someone's LJ, and typed angel when I meant to type angle.

Oh, I had a question for the hivemind.

It's about the scene when Willow and Xander go back in the stacks to research Lagos and the Glove of Mynhegon, and Xander starts rubbing her temples, which leads to smoochies. Giles walks in, and starts talking to them, but we don't actually see his face or head.

Do you think he busted them, or do you think he missed it, entirely? I used to think he missed it. Now I think there's a chance he busted them, but they don't actually realize it.


brenda m - Aug 13, 2005 9:40:16 am PDT #1817 of 10458
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh my lord:

via Fandom Wank [link]

Is the slash phenomena the result of all the poor, traumatized het women who had their illusions destroyed by Spuffy?

Because the Spuffy ship onscreen was trying to force a very clear moral down our throats: There are men out there that are inherently bad for you, and if you find yourself interested in one of these inherently bad men, then that means there is something wrong with you, and you need to reject the 'bad men' and instead date 'good men' or even become celibate, if you still want to be a good person.

The S6 writers had, unintentionally, destroyed the sexual identities of a vast portion of the straight female viewers.


Narrator - Aug 13, 2005 10:02:09 am PDT #1818 of 10458
The evil is this way?

I tried to read the whole post, but my brain got whiplash from all the twisting of the logic.


Jessica - Aug 13, 2005 10:05:24 am PDT #1819 of 10458
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Women who were attracted to the 'bad boy' type were suddenly being told that they were wrong and that they'd suffer if they acted on their instincts. It left them sympathetic in many ways to the plight of gay people, who are also attracted to a certain type (the same sex, in this case) and are told by society that they are wrong because of something instinctive and inherent within them.

Wow. Just...wow.


bon bon - Aug 13, 2005 10:12:10 am PDT #1820 of 10458
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Given the description on fandomwank I don't want to read and be spoiled for VM. But the excerpts you guys have posted are incredible. I WISH I had the kind of power that would allow me to unintentionally change whole swathes of feminine sexuality. Plus, wtf?

Women who were attracted to the 'bad boy' type were suddenly being told that they were wrong and that they'd suffer if they acted on their instincts.

No. fucking. way! I was told that if I was attracted to the bad boy type he'd annoy me forever despite needing to be killed ages ago.


Allyson - Aug 13, 2005 10:28:47 am PDT #1821 of 10458
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I will state again, the only thing I'm left completely sure of since Season Six Buffy is that Marti Noxon should not have been given a television show, she should have been given a blog.

For the rest of her life, she'll write stories of fucked up nubile teenage girls luring poor bad boys into the bear trap vagina of doom.

There's gotta be a support group for writers stuck in such a loop. Yawn.


Cass - Aug 13, 2005 10:35:56 am PDT #1822 of 10458
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Marti Noxon should not have been given a television show, she should have been given a blog.
snerk


joe boucher - Aug 13, 2005 11:16:14 am PDT #1823 of 10458
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

For the rest of her life, she'll write stories of fucked up nubile teenage girls luring poor bad boys into the bear trap vagina of doom.

Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.

S6 had more problems than Spuffy, but killing Spike would have been a good start. Killing him in a Jenny Calendar way, that is, not a they-killed-Kenny way.


DavidS - Aug 13, 2005 11:19:43 am PDT #1824 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

S6 had more problems than Spuffy, but killing Spike would have been a good start. Killing him in a Jenny Calendar way, that is, not a they-killed-Kenny way.

If you killed Spike, who would make the most interesting story as his killer? Buffy? Willow? Xander? Drusilla? Angel? Faith?