I seen you without your clothes on before. Never thought I'd see you naked.

Mal ,'Trash'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Katie M - Aug 09, 2005 9:23:44 am PDT #1770 of 10458
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies

you know what the say about the road to a hell dimension . . .

Oh, absolutely. That's what makes it an interesting story, you know? Willow absolutely believed that she was Doing Right. Even when she did uncontestable evil to Tara, she believed she was in the right.


Connie Neil - Aug 09, 2005 9:24:46 am PDT #1771 of 10458
brillig

Did Buffy die in the portal or when she hit the ground? It sounds flippant, but it makes a difference in the "she died in the portal" thing.


DavidS - Aug 09, 2005 9:25:35 am PDT #1772 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Did Buffy die in the portal or when she hit the ground? It sounds flippant, but it makes a difference in the "she died in the portal" thing.

How would they know in either case? Looks like she died in the portal though, what with the being wracked painfully by supernatural energies.


Vortex - Aug 09, 2005 9:26:47 am PDT #1773 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Did Buffy die in the portal or when she hit the ground?

Where's CSI? Oh, wait, wrong network.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 09, 2005 9:44:58 am PDT #1774 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

How would they know in either case? Looks like she died in the portal though, what with the being wracked painfully by supernatural energies.

Especially with the sureptitious burial. Not a lot of examination time, I'll wager.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 09, 2005 9:47:04 am PDT #1775 of 10458
What is even happening?

Why would you presume she'd have to tamper with their minds to get them to go along? It really doesn't seem out of character for Xander and Tara to defer to her in Giles' absence.
Did you read the whole thing, Hec? I don't think she put the whammy on their minds. I don't necessarily think she would have had to manipulate them *in order to* get them to go along, but she did manipulate them, seemingly in order to ensure they kept going along.

I saw the text and she was manipulative. I'm not assessing her motives, just giving a (text-based) reading of her actions. I'm not presuming.

She withheld information, like where and how she got the Vino de Madre, that she knew what it was, and what it actually was. She (and Tara, Xander, and Anya) also purposefully kept Giles, Spike and Dawn in the dark. She may have actually lied about the Vino de madre. I can't remember if it involved an outright lie, or just that she withheld information.


Narrator - Aug 09, 2005 10:25:41 am PDT #1776 of 10458
The evil is this way?

Where's CSI? Oh, wait, wrong network.

Crossover!! CSI:Sunnydale. The neck ruptures could get redundant, though.


Vortex - Aug 09, 2005 10:27:20 am PDT #1777 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

The neck ruptures could get redundant, though.

yeah, but if would be fun seeing them come up with new and interesting explanations. Remember the barbecue fork?


Vortex - Aug 09, 2005 10:28:47 am PDT #1778 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I still think that a fun Angel episode or bit would have been a demon psychologist. And I mean a psychologist who counsels demons, none of this Tish M'gev business, just a regular office with a receptionist, etc.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 09, 2005 10:29:08 am PDT #1779 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

but if would be fun seeing them come up with new and interesting explanations.

It's always going to come back to "PCP; gang-related" though.