Oh, I didn't mean, like, "Prove it!" It just sounded like it might be (even loosely) based on something, so I wondered if I'd missed some interesting detail. Which I could use to form some new, and even more convoluted, theory.
was there a discussion with Lindsey and Darla when she was trying to be vamped by Shemp?
This. I think there may have been, because when I first read Strega's question last night, there was a picture in my mind of Darla in a bar and then alleyway (I think), trying to get vamped, but I remember none of the lines. I don't remember Angel canon the way I remember Buffy canon. I haven't rewatched nearly as often.
Also? The under-vamps are always in vamp face, like they have no self-control or anything.
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Now, I figure on the production end of things, it may just be that it makes more sense to usually keep the day player in vamp make up, than make his face up in vamp make up, take it off, put on beauty make up, then make him up in vamp make up over and over again.
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However, I don't have to pay attention to that. So, it was one of the things that informed my opinion.
Darla's resurrection actually makes a pretty good case for the animating spirits of vampires having an immortal aspect that survives death as well. When she was vamped a second time, she rose with the same attitudes toward Angel that she'd possessed in her previous undead incarnation, and at least as powerful as he to boot. I doubt either would have been true if a new vampiric demon had been freshly spawned by Drusilla in the usual manner.
She had the same mind and memories, though. Doesn't that explain it?
I doubt either would have been true if a new vampiric demon had been freshly spawned by Drusilla in the usual manner.
does it matter that it was Drusilla? Would it have been different if Darla had been sired by Shemp?
Also? The under-vamps are always in vamp face, like they have no self-control or anything
It's a cost issue. The CGI for vampface is expensive, and if the character isn't important, or you know that they are a vampire from the beginning, they didn't bother to spend the money.
eta: look at me talking in the present tense! I'm not in denial. I'M NOT!!
It's a cost issue. The CGI for vampface is expensive, and if the character isn't important, or you know that they are a vampire from the beginning, they didn't bother to spend the money.
Right, but that's meta, so I don't have to pay attention to that. In the story (which is told in a visual medium, so the pictures on the screen matter, the same way the words do), the miniony vamps are almost always in game face.
I don't have to pay attention to that
True, but what goes hand in hand with that is that you don't even have Occam's razor anymore -- you're stepping out of wank territory into fanfic. For instance, there's no reason to assume they're in vamp face when you can't see them, for example.
For instance, there's no reason to assume they're in vamp face when you can't see them, for example.
Do you think that holds true, even since they're in vamp face (Dalton springs to mind) when nobody in their 'verse can see them, and/or even when they're not being seen and not seeing humans in their 'verse, and even when there doesn't seem to be a reason for it (i.e. hunger or fighting)?
Do you think that holds true
We have no information to contradict it. There could be reasons we know nothing about. Maybe it was that time of the month/day/week/year. Maybe there was a geographical rationale, maybe maybe maybe.
But I'm not trying to stop anyone else wanking. Just that there's a point where you step away into totaly hypothesising, and there are no checks and balances (kinda like trying to work out what's really happening on Lost).
I'm not sure I understand where the meta comes in. Is Willow really just gay because Seth Green wanted out of the series, then?
I'm not sure I understand where the meta comes in
Where the meta comes into what?
To me, a justification for why peripheral vamps are always in vamp face is along the lines of why you can see vampire breath condensed in certain scenes -- it slides right past my metafilter. I know the snake in that one episode didn't look ubercheesy to anyone
in
the episode -- meta made it look odd to us. I don't need to know why Angel and Spike look so much older now than they did beforehand -- metafilter.
To me, a justification for why peripheral vamps are always in vamp face is along the lines of why you can see vampire breath condensed in certain scenes -- it slides right past my metafilter.
Right, usually if they bothered with the morphing on a miniony-vamp, it was for dramatic effect.
Also, one of the main reasons for the "game face" was because Joss wanted it very clear to viewers that these were monsters Buffy was beating up and killing, not people. If random Joe Schmoe vamp is going to get staked before he has time to react to the fact the Slayer is even there, he's going to have to be wandering around in game face.
