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'Shindig'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 02, 2005 7:15:10 am PDT #1572 of 10458
What is even happening?

For instance, there's no reason to assume they're in vamp face when you can't see them, for example.
Do you think that holds true, even since they're in vamp face (Dalton springs to mind) when nobody in their 'verse can see them, and/or even when they're not being seen and not seeing humans in their 'verse, and even when there doesn't seem to be a reason for it (i.e. hunger or fighting)?


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 7:21:37 am PDT #1573 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do you think that holds true

We have no information to contradict it. There could be reasons we know nothing about. Maybe it was that time of the month/day/week/year. Maybe there was a geographical rationale, maybe maybe maybe.

But I'm not trying to stop anyone else wanking. Just that there's a point where you step away into totaly hypothesising, and there are no checks and balances (kinda like trying to work out what's really happening on Lost).


Topic!Cindy - Aug 02, 2005 7:24:08 am PDT #1574 of 10458
What is even happening?

I'm not sure I understand where the meta comes in. Is Willow really just gay because Seth Green wanted out of the series, then?


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 7:28:25 am PDT #1575 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm not sure I understand where the meta comes in

Where the meta comes into what?

To me, a justification for why peripheral vamps are always in vamp face is along the lines of why you can see vampire breath condensed in certain scenes -- it slides right past my metafilter. I know the snake in that one episode didn't look ubercheesy to anyone in the episode -- meta made it look odd to us. I don't need to know why Angel and Spike look so much older now than they did beforehand -- metafilter.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 02, 2005 7:32:24 am PDT #1576 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

To me, a justification for why peripheral vamps are always in vamp face is along the lines of why you can see vampire breath condensed in certain scenes -- it slides right past my metafilter.

Right, usually if they bothered with the morphing on a miniony-vamp, it was for dramatic effect.


Kalshane - Aug 02, 2005 8:44:47 am PDT #1577 of 10458
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Also, one of the main reasons for the "game face" was because Joss wanted it very clear to viewers that these were monsters Buffy was beating up and killing, not people. If random Joe Schmoe vamp is going to get staked before he has time to react to the fact the Slayer is even there, he's going to have to be wandering around in game face.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 02, 2005 8:49:44 am PDT #1578 of 10458
What is even happening?

Yeah, no I was thinking more of recurrings, like Dalton. Or the episode where Harmony had minions.

The breathing meta is of a different sort to me. I do not need to be told the reason I can see the breath. I know on my own the actors are human, so it's more accessible meta for me, somehow. What decisions were made because of costs is different for me, because of the nature of it.


Strega - Aug 02, 2005 11:37:22 am PDT #1579 of 10458

I don't think Darla talks about how siring works, beyond trying to instruct Shempy in how to do it.


§ ita § - Aug 02, 2005 11:38:53 am PDT #1580 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What decisions were made because of costs is different for me, because of the nature of it.

I'm firmly in the overthinking camp, because I do hypothesise things like cost as the show rolls along. Every effect dings a cash register in one part of my brain. Some things don't occur to me until they're mentioned, but avoiding the SFX of the vamp was something I figured on before hearing about it.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 02, 2005 11:47:06 am PDT #1581 of 10458
What is even happening?

Cost-wise for morphing, I can see that. But for a vamp like Dalton, it's not just that we didn't see him morph, we didn't see him in unbumpy face, ever. He were always bumpy faced (again and okay, Dalton's the only one I'm sure of, right now).