Zoe ,'The Train Job'
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Yeah, I always figured the demon accesses the human memories
I've always figured it kind of had to. After all, if it wants to pass at all as human it has to understand all the nuances of human interaction. Otherwise, you'd have demon essence in a human body with no idea of how to make it walk, talk, or look pretty to attract victims. Even if it doesn't base itself on the human's personality, it needs its memories.
Source? I can believe that was established, but it's news to me (so I'm assuming it's from something that happened on Buffy).
was there a discussion with Lindsey and Darla when she was trying to be vamped by Shemp?
Darla's resurrection actually makes a pretty good case for the animating spirits of vampires having an immortal aspect that survives death as well. When she was vamped a second time, she rose with the same attitudes toward Angel that she'd possessed in her previous undead incarnation, and at least as powerful as he to boot. I doubt either would have been true if a new vampiric demon had been freshly spawned by Drusilla in the usual manner.
Oh, I didn't mean, like, "Prove it!" It just sounded like it might be (even loosely) based on something, so I wondered if I'd missed some interesting detail. Which I could use to form some new, and even more convoluted, theory.
was there a discussion with Lindsey and Darla when she was trying to be vamped by Shemp?
This. I think there may have been, because when I first read Strega's question last night, there was a picture in my mind of Darla in a bar and then alleyway (I think), trying to get vamped, but I remember none of the lines. I don't remember Angel canon the way I remember Buffy canon. I haven't rewatched nearly as often.
Also? The under-vamps are always in vamp face, like they have no self-control or anything. t meta Now, I figure on the production end of things, it may just be that it makes more sense to usually keep the day player in vamp make up, than make his face up in vamp make up, take it off, put on beauty make up, then make him up in vamp make up over and over again. t /meta However, I don't have to pay attention to that. So, it was one of the things that informed my opinion.
Darla's resurrection actually makes a pretty good case for the animating spirits of vampires having an immortal aspect that survives death as well. When she was vamped a second time, she rose with the same attitudes toward Angel that she'd possessed in her previous undead incarnation, and at least as powerful as he to boot. I doubt either would have been true if a new vampiric demon had been freshly spawned by Drusilla in the usual manner.
She had the same mind and memories, though. Doesn't that explain it?
I doubt either would have been true if a new vampiric demon had been freshly spawned by Drusilla in the usual manner.
does it matter that it was Drusilla? Would it have been different if Darla had been sired by Shemp?
Also? The under-vamps are always in vamp face, like they have no self-control or anything
It's a cost issue. The CGI for vampface is expensive, and if the character isn't important, or you know that they are a vampire from the beginning, they didn't bother to spend the money.
eta: look at me talking in the present tense! I'm not in denial. I'M NOT!!
It's a cost issue. The CGI for vampface is expensive, and if the character isn't important, or you know that they are a vampire from the beginning, they didn't bother to spend the money.
Right, but that's meta, so I don't have to pay attention to that. In the story (which is told in a visual medium, so the pictures on the screen matter, the same way the words do), the miniony vamps are almost always in game face.
I don't have to pay attention to that
True, but what goes hand in hand with that is that you don't even have Occam's razor anymore -- you're stepping out of wank territory into fanfic. For instance, there's no reason to assume they're in vamp face when you can't see them, for example.
For instance, there's no reason to assume they're in vamp face when you can't see them, for example.Do you think that holds true, even since they're in vamp face (Dalton springs to mind) when nobody in their 'verse can see them, and/or even when they're not being seen and not seeing humans in their 'verse, and even when there doesn't seem to be a reason for it (i.e. hunger or fighting)?
Do you think that holds true
We have no information to contradict it. There could be reasons we know nothing about. Maybe it was that time of the month/day/week/year. Maybe there was a geographical rationale, maybe maybe maybe.
But I'm not trying to stop anyone else wanking. Just that there's a point where you step away into totaly hypothesising, and there are no checks and balances (kinda like trying to work out what's really happening on Lost).
I'm not sure I understand where the meta comes in. Is Willow really just gay because Seth Green wanted out of the series, then?