Angel was already dead when he went to hell.
Well, it's just good to know that when the chips are down and things look grim you'll feed off the girl who loves you to save your own ass!
Xander ,'Chosen'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
sumi - Jul 29, 2005 10:11:12 am PDT #1490 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!
Topic!Cindy - Jul 29, 2005 10:13:14 am PDT #1491 of 10458
What is even happening?
No, he was undead.
sumi - Jul 29, 2005 10:23:40 am PDT #1492 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!
And yet. . . not alive.
§ ita § - Jul 29, 2005 10:24:34 am PDT #1493 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Still, dying wasn't what got him to hell. His animation status was unchanged.
Vortex - Jul 29, 2005 10:41:07 am PDT #1494 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I recall a lot of use of the words "hell dimension", I thought they were trying to shy away from the use of the christian "heaven" and "hell"
Lyra Jane - Jul 29, 2005 10:56:58 am PDT #1495 of 10458
Up with the sun
In a Christian universe, Anya goes to purgatory. That's the place for righteous unbelievers, right?
If it's binary -- heaven or hell -- I think it's hell because she never repented, which makes me sad.
sumi - Jul 29, 2005 10:58:02 am PDT #1496 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!
Isn't purgatory only what Catholics believe?
Susan W. - Jul 29, 2005 11:00:25 am PDT #1497 of 10458
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
Yep. No Purgatory in the Protestant 'verse. Not sure about the Eastern Orthodox churches, though.
JohnSweden - Jul 29, 2005 11:29:32 am PDT #1498 of 10458
I can't even.
If it's binary -- heaven or hell -- I think it's hell because she never repented, which makes me sad.
I love Anya, but I can't see her getting into heaven without some special intervention. There's no repenting/shriving/whatever, and there's no indication of any acceptance of JHC as her lord and saviour (or any mental disposition thereto). Needs a big wanky handwave, IMO.
Topic!Cindy - Jul 29, 2005 11:36:30 am PDT #1499 of 10458
What is even happening?
She did repent, because theologically speaking, repenting means turning from your sins. How else could you describe her giving up her demonhood? She didn't do any sort of penance, but that's not a core doctrine.
and there's no indication of any acceptance of JHC as her lord and saviour (or any mental disposition thereto). Needs a big wanky handwave, IMO.
Asked and answered already. There's no evidence that she had been introduced to any concept of God as we understand him. We knew an awful lot about her personal life, even what sexual fantasy scenarios she preferred, and how how she tortured people, but nothing about any sort of religious understanding, which tends to indicate she didn't have any sort of religious understanding. That she died a martyr's death would indicate she was serving God to the extent He had revealed Himself to her.
But, the verse didn't have all this theology. So all that's really needed is that she died a hero's death. Remember, it is canon (and repeated canon) that there isn't some sort of cosmic checksheet whereby it is okay for Buffy to kill the occasional human, just because she's mostly saved them (cf "Dead Things" and whatever season 3 episode after Faith killed the Deputy Mayor).