Mal: You tell me right now, little Kaylee, you really think you can do this? Kaylee: Sure. Yeah. I think so. 'Sides, if I mess up, not like you'll be able to yell at me.

'Bushwhacked'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 29, 2005 9:56:24 am PDT #1486 of 10458
What is even happening?

Anya was human then demon then human then demon then human (is that right?) butI don't think she was ever Christian. So by Christian heaven rules she wouldn't get in. Right?

Well, that gets really complex, but we don't have to go to complexville, because the verse didn't provide for the full theology. A fairly orthodox train of thought in Christianity is that people who have never heard of God (and some would extend that to people who have never heard of God in a way in which they are able to know/believe in Him), but have served God as to the extent God has reveal Himself to them (in nature, and in the conscience), is not damned.

If we look at the fruits of Anya's life, we see she repented (turned from) from her demonosity, and she fought against evil and for good, which would be seen as serving God in a "Those who are not against us are for us" kind of way.


-t - Jul 29, 2005 10:06:34 am PDT #1487 of 10458
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

If we look at the fruits of Anya's life, we see she repented (turned from) from her demonosity, and she fought against evil and for good, which would be seen as serving God in a "Those who are not against us are for us" kind of way.

I can concede that.

Do we know of anyone who has died and gone to hell besides Darla?


Topic!Cindy - Jul 29, 2005 10:07:58 am PDT #1488 of 10458
What is even happening?

Angel went to Hell, but he didn't die. He got sucked into Hell. Buffy went to Hell with Lily/Anne, but she didn't die to get there. Was that place Skip guarded, where that Billy character was a Hell?


ChiKat - Jul 29, 2005 10:09:01 am PDT #1489 of 10458
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Angel, Billy


sumi - Jul 29, 2005 10:11:12 am PDT #1490 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!

Angel was already dead when he went to hell.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 29, 2005 10:13:14 am PDT #1491 of 10458
What is even happening?

No, he was undead.


sumi - Jul 29, 2005 10:23:40 am PDT #1492 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!

And yet. . . not alive.


§ ita § - Jul 29, 2005 10:24:34 am PDT #1493 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Still, dying wasn't what got him to hell. His animation status was unchanged.


Vortex - Jul 29, 2005 10:41:07 am PDT #1494 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I recall a lot of use of the words "hell dimension", I thought they were trying to shy away from the use of the christian "heaven" and "hell"


Lyra Jane - Jul 29, 2005 10:56:58 am PDT #1495 of 10458
Up with the sun

In a Christian universe, Anya goes to purgatory. That's the place for righteous unbelievers, right?

If it's binary -- heaven or hell -- I think it's hell because she never repented, which makes me sad.