You do well to flee, townspeople! I will pillage your lands and dwellings! I will burn your crops and make merry sport with your more attractive daughters! Ha ha ha! Mark my words! Ooh! Ale! I smell delicious ale!

Olaf the Troll ,'Showtime'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Volans - Jul 29, 2005 9:18:06 am PDT #1483 of 10458
move out and draw fire

It's like saying will she go to the petting zoo or Easter toy shopping

Considering both of these usually involve bunnies, I think they'd both count as Hell for Anya.


§ ita § - Jul 29, 2005 9:20:37 am PDT #1484 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Considering both of these usually involve bunnies, I think they'd both count as Hell for Anya.

Uncoincidentally, that's my point.


-t - Jul 29, 2005 9:49:36 am PDT #1485 of 10458
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I kind of want to change my tag to Opressress.

You should, Perkins. I was gonna change mine and I think we ought to still have an Opressress.

Anya was human then demon then human then demon then human (is that right?) butI don't think she was ever Christian. So by Christian heaven rules she wouldn't get in. Right?

Now, heaven as in where Buffy was when she was dead the second time, maybe Anya would get in. I'm trying to think of examples of people who we know were in hell who didn't have it as part of a contract or the direct consequence of a particular action, but it's hard.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 29, 2005 9:56:24 am PDT #1486 of 10458
What is even happening?

Anya was human then demon then human then demon then human (is that right?) butI don't think she was ever Christian. So by Christian heaven rules she wouldn't get in. Right?

Well, that gets really complex, but we don't have to go to complexville, because the verse didn't provide for the full theology. A fairly orthodox train of thought in Christianity is that people who have never heard of God (and some would extend that to people who have never heard of God in a way in which they are able to know/believe in Him), but have served God as to the extent God has reveal Himself to them (in nature, and in the conscience), is not damned.

If we look at the fruits of Anya's life, we see she repented (turned from) from her demonosity, and she fought against evil and for good, which would be seen as serving God in a "Those who are not against us are for us" kind of way.


-t - Jul 29, 2005 10:06:34 am PDT #1487 of 10458
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

If we look at the fruits of Anya's life, we see she repented (turned from) from her demonosity, and she fought against evil and for good, which would be seen as serving God in a "Those who are not against us are for us" kind of way.

I can concede that.

Do we know of anyone who has died and gone to hell besides Darla?


Topic!Cindy - Jul 29, 2005 10:07:58 am PDT #1488 of 10458
What is even happening?

Angel went to Hell, but he didn't die. He got sucked into Hell. Buffy went to Hell with Lily/Anne, but she didn't die to get there. Was that place Skip guarded, where that Billy character was a Hell?


ChiKat - Jul 29, 2005 10:09:01 am PDT #1489 of 10458
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Angel, Billy


sumi - Jul 29, 2005 10:11:12 am PDT #1490 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!

Angel was already dead when he went to hell.


Topic!Cindy - Jul 29, 2005 10:13:14 am PDT #1491 of 10458
What is even happening?

No, he was undead.


sumi - Jul 29, 2005 10:23:40 am PDT #1492 of 10458
Art Crawl!!!

And yet. . . not alive.